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1 hour ago, lottiecass said:
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So you think all junkies want to be clean?

No, but if they have the opportunity to get clean gear on prescription, they'll take it and not need to steal to feed their addiction.

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Bodies will be needed for this to work, the only people to benefit from this scheme will be addicts and the bodies that run the scheme.

No again - society as a whole benefits; less crime, addicts that are no longer criminals and able to make a positive contribution.

 

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Why is it that the heroin substitute programme hasn't worked? its free and easy to obtain.

One of the reasons is that methadone is really quite unpleasant compared to heroin and doesn't give the user a high. And it's definitely not always easy to obtain.

 

 

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So you think that giving the real thing will make the drug dealers world collapse? 

Common sense suggests that if the users can get clean gear on prescription, they won't want to get dirty gear from dealers does it not?

 

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4 hours ago, Halibut said:

 

Common sense tells me that prescribed heroin = more addicts that will be less liable to come off it. This is my point, for how long will an addict be prescribed heroin? there would have to be a limit, then what happens? back to the dealer it would seem so little change there.

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11 hours ago, lottiecass said:

Common sense tells me that prescribed heroin = more addicts that will be less liable to come off it. This is my point, for how long will an addict be prescribed heroin? there would have to be a limit, then what happens? back to the dealer it would seem so little change there.

Even when heroin was available on script (look it up) of course you couldn't just go to a GP and say 'I'd like some heroin' - you have to be an addict in the first place. How long? Until they want to come off. 

 

Why would there have to be a limit? Do we set an arbitary time limit on scripts for insulin or antidepressants?

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6 hours ago, Halibut said:

Even when heroin was available on script (look it up) of course you couldn't just go to a GP and say 'I'd like some heroin' - you have to be an addict in the first place. How long? Until they want to come off. 

 

Why would there have to be a limit? Do we set an arbitary time limit on scripts for insulin or antidepressants?

Different thing  entirely, nobody is diabetic or depressed through choice, heroin is a choice. Do you actually know any addicts?

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Stabalise and maintain, yes. But there should always be the intention for that to become a reducing and withdrawal prescription IMO, though how long that takes could be very different between different people. Otherwise addicts are not being supported to recover, just supported to not beg and steal. 

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21 hours ago, lottiecass said:

Common sense tells me that prescribed heroin = more addicts that will be less liable to come off it. This is my point, for how long will an addict be prescribed heroin? there would have to be a limit, then what happens? back to the dealer it would seem so little change there.

Currently, heroin addicts are prescribed methadone, essentially forever.

 

They're not addicted to methadone, they're addicted to heroin. So success is also dependent upon their will power, which doesn't work very well.

It should come as no surprise that this treatment has mixed results.

 

If we gave addicts heroin, there would be no heroin dealers - you can't make money selling something that can be had for free.

 

(Especially when the free version is better, cleaner, safer, etc.)

 

The war on drugs has been a total failure.

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11 minutes ago, ads36 said:

 

 

If we gave addicts heroin, there would be no heroin dealers - you can't make money selling something that can be had for free.

 

 

What about beginners and non-addicts? Who do you think will supply them?  

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4 hours ago, lottiecass said:

Different thing  entirely, nobody is diabetic or depressed through choice, heroin is a choice. Do you actually know any addicts?

Not presently, but I have. People might choose to try it for the first time, but to suggest that it's a choice to an addict is deeply misguided and wrong.

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19 minutes ago, Halibut said:

Not presently, but I have. People might choose to try it for the first time, but to suggest that it's a choice to an addict is deeply misguided and wrong.

Its a choice, there's plenty of help to get off heroin but the choice is not to. I know this is true, not misguided or wrong, my info comes from addicts I know, some have been on it for many years.

 

2 hours ago, ads36 said:

Currently, heroin addicts are prescribed methadone, essentially forever.

 

They're not addicted to methadone, they're addicted to heroin. So success is also dependent upon their will power, which doesn't work very well.

It should come as no surprise that this treatment has mixed results.

 

If we gave addicts heroin, there would be no heroin dealers - you can't make money selling something that can be had for free.

 

(Especially when the free version is better, cleaner, safer, etc.)

 

The war on drugs has been a total failure.

I agree the war on drugs is a waste of time but prescription heroin would increase the problem. How much per day per person? just enough to stop withdrawal ? if so the street dealers would still be serving. 

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Just now, lottiecass said:

Its a choice, there's plenty of help to get off heroin but the choice is not to. I know this is true, not misguided or wrong, my info comes from addicts I know, some have been on it for many years.

 

I agree the war on drugs is a waste of time but prescription heroin would increase the problem. How much per day per person? just enough to stop withdrawal ? if so the street dealers would still be serving. 

It's an overwhelming physical need, which leads to appalling side effects if not met. Suggesting that it's a choice is idiotic. It's an illness.

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4 minutes ago, Halibut said:

It's an overwhelming physical need, which leads to appalling side effects if not met. Suggesting that it's a choice is idiotic. It's an illness.

Maybe it's an illness now but initially it was a choice.

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1 minute ago, Halibut said:

It's an overwhelming physical need, which leads to appalling side effects if not met. Suggesting that it's a choice is idiotic. It's an illness.

Idiotic? its a self inflicted condition, the need and the side effects can be avoided if heroin use is stopped. Who forces addicts to carry on? themselves. 

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