andyofborg   11 #2077 Posted January 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, kidley said: There is certainly more deaths from overdosing than there ever was, deaths from o.d is at record levels. whether there is more people using drugs or not is irrelevant when there is more people overdosing themselves to death. isn't, at least, part of the rise in overdoses, that heroin is being cut with fentanyl and other opioids which means the lethal dose is far less than with heroin alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
kidley   48 #2078 Posted January 26, 2020 i wont comment on the link below onley to say, i am one of the billions of people who have quit smoking at the fifth attempt and i was a heavy smoker, 50 a day bloke  https://vapingdaily.com/quitting-effects/nicotine-withdrawal-symptoms-timeline/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
FinBak   12 #2079 Posted January 26, 2020 3 hours ago, nikki-red said: This is a really interesting article. Lots of statistics and info about heroin-assisted treatment clinics etc. Worth a read.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/Heroin  Interesting...But where's the help for those who DON'T take drugs?  All banging good for those that do....What about those that don't..? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mickey finn   12 #2080 Posted January 26, 2020 Cannot believe these problems have not been sorted after seeing posts from some of Sheffield's self appointed experts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lex Luthor   10 #2081 Posted January 27, 2020 15 hours ago, kidley said: i wont comment on the link below onley to say, i am one of the billions of people who have quit smoking at the fifth attempt and i was a heavy smoker, 50 a day bloke  https://vapingdaily.com/quitting-effects/nicotine-withdrawal-symptoms-timeline/ Wow! Well done, kidley! Your lungs will be thanking you too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lex Luthor   10 #2082 Posted January 27, 2020 17 hours ago, kidley said: There is certainly more deaths from overdosing than there ever was, deaths from o.d is at record levels. whether there is more people using drugs or not is irrelevant when there is more people overdosing themselves to death. Austerity is responsible for 130,000+ deaths, and the increase in suicides by drug overdose, most common, by paracetamol, I presume. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchresearch   206 #2083 Posted January 27, 2020 5 hours ago, Lex Luthor said: Austerity is responsible for 130,000+ deaths, yeah, ok Quote Ultimately, we cannot say — based on the evidence in this study —  that austerity policies caused 120,000 extra deaths. FactCheck: Did austerity kill 120,000 people? https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-austerity-kill-120000-people Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lex Luthor   10 #2084 Posted January 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, alchresearch said: yeah, ok FactCheck: Did austerity kill 120,000 people? https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-austerity-kill-120000-people I'm not going to argue with you about how many thousands because, for me, one life gone is too many, never mind about thousands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
lottiecass   17 #2085 Posted January 27, 2020 On 25/01/2020 at 16:24, Halibut said: Why do you see that as a problem? The cost alone would make it difficult to work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #2086 Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, lottiecass said: The cost alone would make it difficult to work. Pharmaceutically pure heroin is very cheap. The cost of the service would be a great deal cheaper than all the expenses of the crime and policing costs associated with addicts having to fund their own addiction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
lottiecass   17 #2087 Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Halibut said: Pharmaceutically pure heroin is very cheap. The cost of the service would be a great deal cheaper than all the expenses of the crime and policing costs associated with addicts having to fund their own addiction. So you think all junkies want to be clean? if you do you are mistaken. Bodies will be needed for this to work, the only people to benefit from this scheme will be addicts and the bodies that run the scheme. Why is it that the heroin substitute programme hasn't worked? its free and easy to obtain. So you think that giving the real thing will make the drug dealers world collapse? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #2088 Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, lottiecass said: Quote So you think all junkies want to be clean? No, but if they have the opportunity to get clean gear on prescription, they'll take it and not need to steal to feed their addiction. Quote Bodies will be needed for this to work, the only people to benefit from this scheme will be addicts and the bodies that run the scheme. No again - society as a whole benefits; less crime, addicts that are no longer criminals and able to make a positive contribution.  Quote Why is it that the heroin substitute programme hasn't worked? its free and easy to obtain. One of the reasons is that methadone is really quite unpleasant compared to heroin and doesn't give the user a high. And it's definitely not always easy to obtain.   Quote So you think that giving the real thing will make the drug dealers world collapse? Common sense suggests that if the users can get clean gear on prescription, they won't want to get dirty gear from dealers does it not?  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...