Beggars, homeless, street drinkers & drug users in Sheffield!

[woodmally 10]

These two should fight it out in court, infact better still sit outside court, plenty of passing trade.

 

Would make a change from the usual location they have fights outside then either the Archer Project or Tesco's near Devonshire Green.

 

I do feel for the genuine homeless though I bet they get so fed up with the beggars.

[paula4sheff 10]

Would make a change from the usual location they have fights outside then either the Archer Project or Tesco's near Devonshire Green.

 

I do feel for the genuine homeless though I bet they get so fed up with the beggars.

 

The Big Issues sellers dislike them the most - the begging is having a serious impact on the amount of copies they're selling, as well as the amount of people wanting to engage with the Big Issue program/scheme in general.

[Bob Arctor 11]

JSA, ESA. Surely if they dont qaulify for either benifit they cant expect em to starve people there is a law against that. Anyhow this lot you see on the streets get their dole spend it on Boose then when they are skint they find a Pitch and then stick their Mits out. Commonly known as going on the **** then taking the ****.

 

In theory you should be able to claim either ESA or JSA, but the system is designed in such a way that it is quite possible to receive neither, and no it's not illegal, although it should be. Those people caught in that trap need food banks. As do the people on zero hours contracts who got just that this week - zero hours. And the people waiting for their first Universal Credit payment. And the people who just had to spend all their money on keeping their car on the road for work. And so on.

[truman 10]

As do the people on zero hours contracts who got just that this week - zero hours. .

 

Genuine question...how often does this happen?

[woodmally 10]

Genuine question...how often does this happen?

 

Also how often when times are good do a 0 hours contractor get more than 37 hours a week. 0 hours contract is just that they can do as little or as much as they want. It gives them flexibility. If they wernt earning do you really think people would do it?

 

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The Big Issues sellers dislike them the most - the begging is having a serious impact on the amount of copies they're selling, as well as the amount of people wanting to engage with the Big Issue program/scheme in general.

 

You've hit the nail on the head Paula. This is the ongoing issue those that are quick to defend this group fail to take into consideration. Its like two worlds. Those of us that use the town centre and see them hanging outside the Cathedral and Tescos on West Street. Also those that will come up to you on the High Street and Moor asking for money and those that don't. The Big Issue sellers are great they are trying to get their life sorted out by earning and they are being blighted by this group.

[pattricia 574]

The Big Issues sellers dislike them the most - the begging is having a serious impact on the amount of copies they're selling, as well as the amount of people wanting to engage with the Big Issue program/scheme in general.

 

I never realised this Paula. I shall think about buying The Big Issue now.

[Bob Arctor 11]

Genuine question...how often does this happen?

 

I don't have any figures, my experience is anecdotal and to some extent self-selecting, in that the people we help where I work are people for whom something has gone wrong. What I can say is that from my experience it's not an infrequent occurrence, and that's because (and I can say this with confidence) employers often over-promise to agency and zero hour contract workers.

 

A common scenario is that someone applies for a ZHC job and are told by the employer that they can expect a regular 35 - 40 hours per week. And then what happens is that they get offered that amount in the first week and maybe the second week. Then the next week it's not so much, maybe 20 hours. At this point the worker doesn't have enough to pay all their bills, rent and council tax and they get jittery. But the employer says they've got some more work coming up next week, so they hold on. But the next week has even less hours, maybe zero. But the worker is still getting promise of a big spike in work coming up so they hold out for another week. But the next week is the same. At this point they decide to bail out and sign on, but by now they are nearly a month behind with the rent and they have council tax arrears. Often they have borrowed from family and friends (or if they don't have those who can loan to them, a payday loan company) for daily essentials. And they have 7 waiting days before they can make a JSA claim, and when they get their first payment they have to pay back people they have borrowed from, or the loan from the payday lender is escalating in interest.

 

All this suits the employers - often they will recruit to ZHCs at a time when they have got some extra work coming up, but often that is only for a few weeks, but they know they won't entice many people with the required attributes unless they inflate the amount of work available. And because the amount of work they have coming up isn't always predictable it suits them to have a pool of available labour that they either use or not.

 

Workers who have been through this cycle tend to avoid going for similar employment again. And at work we advise people to be very cautious of taking these contracts. And for part-time work on conventional contracts of around 12-13 hours per weeks we do a 'better off calculation' which often shows that the person will be worse off in work - but we find that despite our advice people still take these hours or ZHCs because, despite what the right wing media keep telling us, people really want to work, even if it makes them worse off - they hope that once they've got their toe in the door, extra hours will follow. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

 

All of this fuels personal debt, puts people at risk of homelessness (especially those with private landlords) and puts demand on food banks and other charity-provided services. We just get busier and busier.

Edited July 18, 2018 by Bob Arctor

[paula4sheff 10]

Zero hours contracts are a disgrace really. How they've been allowed to happen is beyond me - essentially they are just a way for employers to rip up all employment law.

 

I would urge anyone even considering one to think again. You're genuinely better off unemployed - at least then you can budget; you know how much you are getting each week and can live within your limited means. With zero hours contracts there is nothing but constant fear.

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

Zero hours contracts are a disgrace really. How they've been allowed to happen is beyond me - essentially they are just a way for employers to rip up all employment law.

 

I would urge anyone even considering one to think again. You're genuinely better off unemployed - at least then you can budget; you know how much you are getting each week and can live within your limited means. With zero hours contracts there is nothing but constant fear.

 

Nonsense. For goodness sake when will people stop banging on about zhc as if its some unknown phonomena that only existed in the years when the evil tories got into power.

 

Jesus christ has nobody heard of the words CASUAL LABOUR. Join a company and wait until you are given a shift as and when required by the needs of a business. Its how I worked in my hotel days and its how many people still work now. Not every business has a constant flow of operations which requires a constant level of staff. Not every business can or does operate 365 days of the year.

 

Just because its got some trendy buzz words of "zero hours contract" does not mean that the concept did not exist before the left wing media blew it out of all proportion.

 

Nobody with a brain cell actually thinks that a zhc job is something they are supposed to undertake for the rest of their career and survive on long term.

 

Those who do think like that need a good kick up the backside.

 

ANY work is better than NO work and if you are jobless there is no excuse. Even if its as and when.

 

People who trot out the phrase "better off being unemployed" quite frankly disgust me. Nobody fit and healthy for work is owed a lifestyle off the state.

[paula4sheff 10]

Nonsense. For goodness sake when will people stop banging on about zhc as if its some unknown phonomena that only existed in the years when the evil tories got into power.

 

Jesus christ has nobody heard of the words CASUAL LABOUR. Join a company and wait until you are given a shift as and when required by the needs of a business. Its how I worked in my hotel days and its how many people still work now. Not every business has a constant flow of operations which requires a constant level of staff. Not every business can or does operate 365 days of the year.

 

Just because its got some trendy buzz words of "zero hours contract" does not mean that the concept did not exist before the left wing media blew it out of all proportion.

 

Nobody with a brain cell actually thinks that a zhc job is something they are supposed to undertake for the rest of their career and survive on long term.

 

Those who do think like that need a good kick up the backside.

 

ANY work is better than NO work and if you are jobless there is no excuse. Even if its as and when.

 

People who trot out the phrase "better off being unemployed" quite frankly disgust me. Nobody fit and healthy for work is owed a lifestyle off the state.

 

An absolutely ridiculous post that no one who knows anything about employment law wpuld ever make.

 

The job centre can no longer insist anyobe apply for a zero hours contract job. In fact many advisors recommend people not to.

 

I always enjoy the old 'left wing media' line though- it's a classic. Let me guess? Zero hiurs contracts are 'fake news' too?!

 

There's too much wrong with the post to even mention- that you think no-one "with a brain cell actually thinks a zhc job is sonething they are supposed to undertake for the rest of their career" is perhaps the most daft bit....and suggests a complete lack of awareness as to what a career actually is. Not to mention a ludicrously judgemental and arrogant attitute.

 

Anyway....back in the real world, zero hours contracts are a major problem, as the poster above, who clearly works in some of support area, and knows a lot more on the subject than some nonsense posted on a forum about making people work in exploitative conditions, states.

 

They'll be banned sooner or later.

 

A couple of other points: if you thibk zero hours contraxts are he same as casual labour you really are displaying that you know nothibg about either. They're very different. They certainly aren't a 'buzz word' as you rather oddly suggest.

 

Secondly- the daily mail is a big campaigner against zero hours contracts. Are they part of the 'left wing media' too now?!

Edited July 18, 2018 by paula4sheff

[Padders 2,850]

An absolutely ridiculous post that no one who knows anything about employment law wpuld ever make.

 

The job centre can no longer insist anyobe apply for a zero hours contract job. In fact many advisors recommend people not to.

 

I always enjoy the old 'left wing media' line though- it's a classic. Let me guess? Zero hiurs contracts are 'fake news' too?!

 

There's too much wrong with the post to even mention- that you think no-one "with a brain cell actually thinks a zhc job is sonething they are supposed to undertake for the rest of their career" is perhaps the most daft bit....and suggests a complete lack of awareness as to what a career actually is. Not to mention a ludicrously judgemental and arrogant attitute.

 

Anyway....back in the real world, zero hours contracts are a major problem, as the poster above, who clearly works in some of support area, and knows a lot more on the subject than some nonsense posted on a forum about making people work in exploitative conditions, states.

 

They'll be banned sooner or later.

 

A couple of other points: if you thibk zero hours contraxts are he same as casual labour you really are displaying that you know nothibg about either. They're very different. They certainly aren't a 'buzz word' as you rather oddly suggest.

 

 

Secondly- the daily mail is a big campaigner against zero hours contracts. Are they part of the 'left wing media' too now?!

 

Come on Paula, must do better.

[paula4sheff 10]

Come on Paula, must do better.

 

I know, I know! It's bad....in my defence though it's a typing issue- when i type on my phone, I can't use the keys properly.....not a spelling issue!

 

Apologies though!