Beggars, homeless, street drinkers & drug users in Sheffield!

[ENG601PM 10]

I don't think any one group has a monopoly on virtue, or all the answers either

 

You are absolutely right.

 

You wouldn't think it though. The problem with much of the left is that they don't really love the poor, they just hate the people with more than themselves. It's an old observation but it still holds true and it's very applicable to this thread.

[Mister M 1,609]

You are absolutely right.

 

You wouldn't think it though. The problem with much of the left is that they don't really love the poor, they just hate the people with more than themselves. It's an old observation but it still holds true and it's very applicable to this thread.

 

It'd be a bit of a stretch to say that any political party or pressure group 'loves' those that they traditionally represent. Up until Margaret Thatcher, the Tory Party, post war onwards, had at best an awkward relationship with its core voters.

 

Obviously I can't speak for all left wingers, but I don't hate people with more money than myself; mainly because having a lot of money isn't a motivating factor in my life. But I don't like gross unfairness, and I think it's a shame that when political parties fight like cat and dog to get elected, when in Government they don't use that power to change the lives of those on the bottom rung of the ladder; who need Government more than anybody else.

It's self evident to me that the politics of envy applies more to those who covet other's wealth; and if the idea behind the seven deadly sins is right, envy is tied up with greed.

[ENG601PM 10]

It's self evident to me that the politics of envy applies more to those who covet other's wealth; and if the idea behind the seven deadly sins is right, envy is tied up with greed.

 

Aside from it being self evident I tend to agree with you there on behaviour, but I perhaps look at it a different way as to the cause. I'm a little fatalistic about human nature in general because I've not really seen any evidence that we as a species can break our programming en-mass. The genetic desire to succeed and use others to elevate yourself (call it greed if you like) and prosper has all sorts of outlets, but whether you desire money, status or being an SF moderator, it's the same essential thing at work and every single one of us suffers from it, no exceptions.

 

That's not to say that individual actions aren't important at bringing about change, but change needs to be something that works for the group if it is to succeed. It's why I'm so scornful of authoritarian socialism beyond caring for those who need a bit or even a lot of help for whatever reason. Marxism, collectivism, communism, etc, has simply never worked and it never can while there is another one who thinks that their particular faction is worth a bullet in his friend's head.

 

Now, just as then; et tu Brute?

 

It's an interesting topic that would make a good discussion if it didn't get derailed into the usual guff. This isn't the place for it but I do appreciate this small opportunity to pass a few moments discussing it with you respectfully.

[mossdog 10]

Aside from it being self evident I tend to agree with you there on behaviour, but I perhaps look at it a different way as to the cause. I'm a little fatalistic about human nature in general because I've not really seen any evidence that we as a species can break our programming en-mass. The genetic desire to succeed and use others to elevate yourself (call it greed if you like) and prosper has all sorts of outlets, but whether you desire money, status or being an SF moderator, it's the same essential thing at work and every single one of us suffers from it, no exceptions.

 

That's not to say that individual actions aren't important at bringing about change, but change needs to be something that works for the group if it is to succeed. It's why I'm so scornful of authoritarian socialism beyond caring for those who need a bit or even a lot of help for whatever reason. Marxism, collectivism, communism, etc, has simply never worked and it never can while there is another one who thinks that their particular faction is worth a bullet in his friend's head.

 

Now, just as then; et tu Brute?

 

It's an interesting topic that would make a good discussion if it didn't get derailed into the usual guff. This isn't the place for it but I do appreciate this small opportunity to pass a few moments discussing it with you respectfully.

.........excellent post!

[steep 11]

Does anyone know how many homeless people there are in Sheffield?

[WarPig 75]

does anyone know how many homeless people there are in sheffield?

 

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[Baron99 779]

Saw a report on the BEAM charity that helps 'genuine' homeless on Sky News this morning.

 

https://www.wearebeam.org/

 

Seems a better way to help

[Anna B 1,401]

Saw a report on the BEAM charity that helps 'genuine' homeless on Sky News this morning.

 

https://www.wearebeam.org/

 

Seems a better way to help

 

While I wouldn't argue that BEAM is a worthwhile charity doing good work, it barely scratches the surface of the problem. Too many homeless have an enormous amount of baggage that needs sorting before they can even think about embarking on this sort of project.

 

Genuine homeless lead chaotic lives with multiple problems and many suffer from addictions and mental illness. They are the one's who have been failed by 'care in the community' and would probably be better cared for in hospital.

[kidley 48]

While I wouldn't argue that BEAM is a worthwhile charity doing good work, it barely scratches the surface of the problem. Too many homeless have an enormous amount of baggage that needs sorting before they can even think about embarking on this sort of project.

 

Genuine homeless lead chaotic lives with multiple problems and many suffer from addictions and mental illness. They are the one's who have been failed by 'care in the community' and would probably be better cared for in hospital.

 

Since when have homeless people been classed as mentally ill, drug addicts etc thats very insulting to genuine homeless people, and my post IS a serious one.

[Mister M 1,609]

Since when have homeless people been classed as mentally ill, drug addicts etc thats very insulting to genuine homeless people, and my post IS a serious one.

 

I'm glad that you're concerned about the feelings of genuine homeless people, but being labelled as having mental health or substance misuse problems by someone on an internet forum is the least of their concerns. Especially in this weather.

[kidley 48]

I'm glad that you're concerned about the feelings of genuine homeless people, but being labelled as having mental health or substance misuse problems by someone on an internet forum is the least of their concerns. Especially in this weather.

 

I may agree with you BUT, being homeless does NOT mean they are sleeping rough. they usually do have a roof over there heads, i would also be surprised if there wasn't homeless people reading this. They are not beggars in the sense of this thread, they are victims of circumstance like being evicted by greedy landlords, and certainly not alcoholics - mentally ill or substance abuse people full stop.

[paula4sheff 10]

Looks like positive and sensible steps are being taken.

 

Good to see a realistic and informed approach being taken - as well as attempts being made to raise awareness of the importance of not giving to beggars and how few are homeless, whilst helping those with drink/drug problems, and potentially taking further action on those who refuse to engage.

 

Seems a very positive approach to a problem to me.

 

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/police-tackle-begging-in-sheffield-city-centre-1-9168756