Takeaways, chip shops, coffee shops etc..responsible for obesity?

[alchresearch 214]

Takeaways arnt making people fat, people deciding to shove fatty food in their own faceholes is whats making people fat.

 

Combined with a lack of exercise. I have and enjoy a takeaway once a week, but I do some exercise to combat it.

 

This article states:

 

Unemployed people getting no physical exercise are getting the simultaneous double whammy of lack of incentives and lack of activity. They don't have any external motive to do what they need to do to be healthy.

 

http://www.cvtips.com/leaving-a-job/staying-physically-active-during-unemployment.html

[El Cid 220]

There's no pressure here to take care of yourself.

If you make yourself ill by poor lifestyle, treatment is free;

If you make yourself too unhealthy to work you'll be supported.

There's no fear of sloth. Some people don't need that fear, others do.

 

It's nice that the vast majority of people in the west don't have to be afraid of ending up in the metaphorical gutter dying of treatable but untreated diseases. It does come with a social cost though. This is probably something we just have to live with as the alternative is worse.

 

When the state supports people, it should have a role to play in their health, whether that is alcohol or food abuse.

We can take people to the moon, surely we can organise to make sure people are healthy, calling them chavs or scroungers does not help.

[unbeliever 10]

When the state supports people, it should have a role to play in their health, whether that is alcohol or food abuse.

We can take people to the moon, surely we can organise to make sure people are healthy, calling them chavs or scroungers does not help.

 

Socialism always comes around to bossing people around. Always.

The excuse of doing it for their own good, or in exchange for the social programs which it is supposedly authoritarian to criticise, is hardly original.

[Mister M 1,625]

Socialism always comes around to bossing people around. Always.

The excuse of doing it for their own good, or in exchange for the social programs which it is supposedly authoritarian to criticise, is hardly original.

 

Yes I've read the criticisms about socialists bossing people around. Funny that on here it's right wingers are the first to point the finger and label & call people fatties (or whatever name is being banded around) or whatever....

[alchresearch 214]

Funny that on here it's right wingers are the first to point the finger and label & call people fatties (or whatever name is being banded around) or whatever....

 

Would that be gastric banded?

[unbeliever 10]

Yes I've read the criticisms about socialists bossing people around. Funny that on here it's right wingers are the first to point the finger and label & call people fatties (or whatever name is being banded around) or whatever....

 

You might have done better not to post this in response to me (a well known "right-winger") criticising El Cid (a well known socialist and union activist) for saying that the government should boss the overweight and unhealthy around.

 

You've drawn attention to the fact that what you've posted is in fact the reverse of the truth.

[ANGELFIRE1 10]

I just wonder what the motives are of the people who own these shops actually are?

 

We have an obesity epidemic and yet these companies sell products that are the very things that are keeping people fat.

 

Would it help if fish and chip shop owners asked people why they were buying fish and chips, and maybe even who they were buying the fish and chips for?

 

If someone was overweight then maybe the chip shop owner could take back the fish and chips and give the customer a refund?

 

I accept that this would cost sales but perhaps if we reimbursed the fish and chip shop for lost sales then this wouldn't be so bad? (maybe £6 per lost sale)

 

The fish and chip shop owner could then say "I've turned away 50 people so can I have 50 x £6 = £300", the chip show owner money could then reclaim the lost sales from some kind of anti obesity department?

 

Its not just fish and chip shops, this could apply to Chinese takeaways, coffee shops etc.....to compensate the owners for lost sales?

 

Yes we would be paying business owners to lose sales

 

But as a society we need to do something to sort out this epidemic

 

 

 

Here you are, this is why we are a nation of fatties - because we eat more calories than we burn off. It's nothing whatever to do with the shops that sell us food. Not one of these establishments force food down our throats, we make the decision to stuff our faces, no one else. I have the experience of doing it.

 

From a previously morbidly obese Angel1. Now much lighter thanks to the NHS and the surgeons knife.

[pmurtdlanod1 10]

Takeaways arnt making people fat, people deciding to shove fatty food in their own faceholes is whats making people fat.

 

lazy people usually unemployed who get no exercise eat mainly yellow, orangey and red food, Ie. Pizza, chips, burgers, fried chicken, more chips chips and cheese,pasta. they do this because its easy to make no prep required, remember oven ready sausages from Richmond??

lazy mothers that shove sausage rolls in their kids faces or beans and chips.

 

have we noticed something here?? no green veg well maybe mushy peas!!!!

lazy people are fat full stop , nothing to do with slow metabolism, its no exercise and too much of the wrong food.

[El Cid 220]

 

Healthy parents have healthy children.

 

its a difficult cycle to break.

 

People are getting fatter is the years go by, so some healthy parents must be having unhealthy children.

 

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And we are all getting wealthier, or so the Conservatives would have us believe.

[Cyclone 10]

People are getting fatter is the years go by, so some healthy parents must be having unhealthy children.

 

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And we are all getting wealthier, or so the Conservatives would have us believe.

 

Or perhaps healthy parents have <2 children and unhealthy parents have >2.

 

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Socialism always comes around to bossing people around. Always.

The excuse of doing it for their own good, or in exchange for the social programs which it is supposedly authoritarian to criticise, is hardly original.

 

Public health programs DO come down to bossing people about.

Things like vaccinations, compulsory education, seatbelts, crash helmets. All examples of "bossing people about", and all I hope you'd agree, absolutely necessary.

 

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How does that give you access to too much food? Surely a poor person would not have enough food and would therefore be thin.

Education is universal in this country and throughout the west AFAIK.

 

Did you read the article that I linked earlier.

 

Why do you think poverty is linked to obesity?

[RonJeremy 10]

Or perhaps healthy parents have <2 children and unhealthy parents have >2.

 

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What if I have 2 children? Am I neither healthy nor unhealthy?

Public health programs DO come down to bossing people about.

Things like vaccinations, compulsory education, seatbelts, crash helmets. All examples of "bossing people about", and all I hope you'd agree, absolutely necessary.

 

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Did you read the article that I linked earlier.

 

Why do you think poverty is linked to obesity?

 

I've scanned it - not bad for a left-wing based argument.

But the truth remains, in the countries where the relatively poorer are looked after, supported with a very generous social handout, they are fatter. More money = more food to eat.

[unbeliever 10]

 

Public health programs DO come down to bossing people about.

Things like vaccinations, compulsory education, seatbelts, crash helmets. All examples of "bossing people about", and all I hope you'd agree, absolutely necessary.

 

I might be more sympathetic if the people advocating them didn't overlap so much with the people who (with genuinely no sense of irony) accuse me of in some way being authoritarian for disagreeing with them over taxes and spending.

 

Such things should be compulsory for children and advisory for adults. Except where they can be shown to present a clear danger to others, for example vaccination against something that would then be passed on.

As for diet, I'm happy for the state to be involved in nannying children but not adults.

I'm a moderate libertarian about such things. I differ from some libertarians in that I think we have collective responsibility for, and therefore collective authority over, peoples' children.

Edited October 5, 2016 by unbeliever