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Where will Labour be a year from now?  

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  1. 1. Where will Labour be a year from now?

    • Intact with Jeremy Corbyn in charge
      57
    • Intact with somebody else in charge
      20
    • Split with Corbyn running the remains of Labour
      32
    • Split with Corbyn running a break-away party
      9
    • The matter will still be unresolved
      21
    • The whole party will collapse
      26
    • Something I haven't thought of
      6


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Like Jefferey said, enthusiasms tend to melt away once reality sets in:

 

Thousands of Labour members leave the party after choosing not to renew subscriptions

 

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/28/thousands-labour-members-leave-party-chosing-not-renew-subscriptions/

 

 

They may have recently bounced back with Corbyn's rallies, but it will no doubt drop off again.

Its the Torygraph...as far as I know, the party membership has increased month on month..

The tories and libs could only dream about such figures..

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Its the Torygraph...as far as I know, the party membership has increased month on month..

The tories and libs could only dream about such figures..

 

Its more about quality than quantity. Those who joined did so just to vote for Corbyn in the leadership election then disappeared.

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Its more about quality than quantity. Those who joined did so just to vote for Corbyn in the leadership election then disappeared.

 

Have they?

Party insiders said that the total membership now stands at 552,000, up from 517,000 when last recorded.The rise in numbers came after Corbyn gained 30 extra seats in the election on June 8, denying Theresa May her Commons majority.

The party expects its peak of 554,000 – reached last July – to be overtaken within days.

Labour is now the largest political party in Western Europe, having more than doubled its 200,000 membership since Corbyn became leader in 2015.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-party-membership-soars-by-33000-in-four-days-since-general-election_uk_59400feee4b0e84514ee930f

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Have they?

Party insiders said that the total membership now stands at 552,000, up from 517,000 when last recorded.The rise in numbers came after Corbyn gained 30 extra seats in the election on June 8, denying Theresa May her Commons majority.

The party expects its peak of 554,000 – reached last July – to be overtaken within days.

Labour is now the largest political party in Western Europe, having more than doubled its 200,000 membership since Corbyn became leader in 2015.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-party-membership-soars-by-33000-in-four-days-since-general-election_uk_59400feee4b0e84514ee930f

 

....and yet they still failed to come even close of beating the number of seats won by the Tories and even further away from securing a majority government.

 

Seems to me that party membership numbers and real world voter performance are miles apart and meaningless.

 

Always find it amusing when media organisations try to pursue that angle.

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....and yet they still failed to come even close of beating the number of seats won by the Tories and even further away from securing a majority government.

 

Seems to me that party membership numbers and real world voter performance are miles apart and meaningless.

 

Always find it amusing when media organisations try to pursue that angle.

 

and this point i am not argueing,

But one thing that i do find odd when people are talking about labours membership, and they quote that labour had X amount of members and now they only have Y amount of members, people like to assume that the increase in membership was because of Corbyn, and that any decrease in membership was also because of Corbyn...they seem to ignore the fact that the media were begging people to pay £3 to get rid of Corbyn, so we must assume that a lot/some of the £3 voters were anti Corbyn

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Ah, such a caring party:

 

Momentum win control of Labour branch and demand MP 'apologises' for criticising Jeremy Corbyn

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/06/momentum-win-control-labour-branch-demand-mp-apologises-criticising/

 

I predict a return to in-fighting again, especially with out of control Momentum nutters. They're like the people Cameron talked about in UKIP.

 

A Momentum group in South Tyneside posted a list on its Facebook group of 49 MPs, including Chuka Ummuna and Chris Leslie, that they said should leave Labour to “join the Liberals”. The post was taken down and disavowed by the national movement, which is working to dispel the idea that it wants to see MPs deselected.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/06/labour-mps-critical-of-corbyn-fear-deselection-after-get-on-board-warning

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Labour is its own worst enemy, for a number of reasons.

The best thing they could do is split and the two halves can focus on their strengths.

If they have any sense they would split amicably and form an alliance.

If they're properly sensible they would form a party that attracts the more sensible members of the Conservative party as well.

Unfortunately tribalism outranks good sense by a wide margin.

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Seems to me that party membership numbers and real world voter performance are miles apart and meaningless.

 

A month on and some Tories are still in denial that May suffered a severe humiliation.

 

A large membership means you have more people to get you message across. Which is what Labour did much more successfully than the Tories did. It wasn't Labour that gambled and lost a majority and 15 point lead.

 

---------- Post added 07-07-2017 at 15:42 ----------

 

Momentum win control of Labour branch and demand MP 'apologises' for criticising Jeremy Corbyn

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/06/momentum-win-control-labour-branch-demand-mp-apologises-criticising/

 

Hardly surprising. They'll be demanding oaths of allegiance next.

 

---------- Post added 07-07-2017 at 15:45 ----------

 

If they have any sense they would split amicably and form an alliance.

 

I'm trying to see any point in that. Let's divorce and get married again. Jeremy and Diane could be the Richard Burton and Liz Taylor of British politics.

 

If they're properly sensible they would form a party that attracts the more sensible members of the Conservative party as well.

 

I don't think another half dozen or so members would make much difference.

Edited by LeMaquis

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I'm trying to see any point in that. Let's divorce and get married again.

Closer to "let's divorce then have an affair", which I'm told happens quite a lot.

 

I don't think another half dozen or so members would make much difference.

 

No? Tell it to the DUP.

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and this point i am not argueing,

But one thing that i do find odd when people are talking about labours membership, and they quote that labour had X amount of members and now they only have Y amount of members, people like to assume that the increase in membership was because of Corbyn, and that any decrease in membership was also because of Corbyn...they seem to ignore the fact that the media were begging people to pay £3 to get rid of Corbyn, so we must assume that a lot/some of the £3 voters were anti Corbyn

 

Yep I know of people who paid £3 just to vote against him. I also know one person who paid so they could vote for him, but only because they thought he would lead to the final destruction of the labour party of which they are not a fan.

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Yep I know of people who paid £3 just to vote against him. I also know one person who paid so they could vote for him, but only because they thought he would lead to the final destruction of the labour party of which they are not a fan.

 

I hope the people you know don't gamble because it seems they haven't a clue.

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