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That's the problem. You end up with what we have now. Roads that don't work in summer and are blocked with snow in winter. The Sheffield version of the northern powerhouse.

 

How many days does the M62 close? A few days most winters. A dual carriageway maintained to the same standard shouldn't be closed for any more.

 

What do you mean by "roads that don't work in summer"? The trans-pennine routes seem to operate perfectly well in summer until you hit the jams by Mottram.

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How many days does the M62 close? A few days most winters. A dual carriageway maintained to the same standard shouldn't be closed for any more.

 

What do you mean by "roads that don't work in summer"? The trans-pennine routes seem to operate perfectly well in summer until you hit the jams by Mottram.

 

You said it all. Roads that can't be relied on. People start businesses to run all year round. So if a place floods on the odd day, has poor communication, bad internet, bad roads, jams at Mottram etc etc, it will loose out to places that don't have those problems.

The Northern Powerhouse will happen, but it won't be happening here.

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estimated at 75 billion,give a pound or 2.

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Any transpennine connection between Sheffield City region and Manchester would have two big problems:

1 It would have to deal with far more traffic than the current combined current traffic of Woodhead, Snake and A6 as it would become a route from A1(M) and M1 to Lancashire. It would relieve the M62.

2 A minimum length of 15 miles in a road tunnel is not easily managed by the majority of car drivers and an aversion to roll on/roll off rail transport may not solve the problem.

 

 

I think there is a very big danger posed by HS2. If it is (when) built it will pretty much by-pass Sheffield and link in to a Northern Powerhouse which is Liverpool, Manchester, Salford, Leeds and Bradford. It will simply encourage further transport links between those places. ...

 

There are no plans for HS2 to go or connect to Liverpool or Bradford.

HS2 to Sheffield or Meadowhall would reverse the current situation of it being quicker to get to Leeds than Sheffield.

HS2 at Meadowhall would become the most important station on HS2 as it would be here that HS2 connects to the North and North East, Scotland, Humberside etc.

 

More and faster Leeds Manchester train journeys are far more difficult to engineer than between Sheffield and Manchester.

Direct Nottingham/Chesterfield non-stop services are possible now via Dore South.

Direct non stop Sheffield to Manchester are possible now via Marple.

And for the fraction of the cost of HS3/Woodhead rebuild/new tunnel a 40 min Sheffield or Chesterfield to Manchester is viable.

Edited by Annie Bynnol

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You said it all. Roads that can't be relied on. People start businesses to run all year round. So if a place floods on the odd day, has poor communication, bad internet, bad roads, jams at Mottram etc etc, it will loose out to places that don't have those problems.

The Northern Powerhouse will happen, but it won't be happening here.

 

Manchester and Leeds don't appear to have done badly from the M62 which is closed for the odd day each winter.

 

If Woodhead is upgraded - at a far lesser cost than a tunnel - it couls easily bypass Mottram etc.

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There are no plans for HS2 to go or connect to Liverpool or Bradford.

HS2 to Sheffield or Meadowhall would reverse the current situation of it being quicker to get to Leeds than Sheffield.

HS2 at Meadowhall would become the most important station on HS2 as it would be here that HS2 connects to the North and North East, Scotland, Humberside etc.

 

More and faster Leeds Manchester train journeys are far more difficult to engineer than between Sheffield and Manchester.

Direct Nottingham/Chesterfield non-stop services are possible now via Dore South.

Direct non stop Sheffield to Manchester are possible now via Marple.

And for the fraction of the cost of HS3/Woodhead rebuild/new tunnel a 40 min Sheffield or Chesterfield to Manchester is viable.

 

I think you are missing the point. HS2 is nothing to do with this although it will provide high speed lines to Liverpool and Manchester. The M62 provided a trans penine motorway between Liverpool/Manchester and Leeds/Bradford. Not Sheffield.

The roads linking Sheffield to Manchester are a joke, as are the rail links. HS2 will provide no improvement to Sheffield's links to Manchester, and Sheffield is in danger of being left behind if and when The Northern Powerhouse gets off the ground.

It is a pity that the decision was made to abandon the motorway from Sheffield to Manchester in the 1960s after the electrified train line was closed. It was just the first step in isolating Sheffield from major trading cities and served to make Sheffield less attractive to investors.

 

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Manchester and Leeds don't appear to have done badly from the M62 which is closed for the odd day each winter.

 

If Woodhead is upgraded - at a far lesser cost than a tunnel - it couls easily bypass Mottram etc.

 

They've done well from having a motorway. Whatever you think of as an upgrade for Woodhead it won't be a motorway, but it will be a road where you can follow a heavily laden lorry for the whole distance or until it gets blocked by a lorry that can't make an incline in the snow.

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How many days does the M62 close? A few days most winters. A dual carriageway maintained to the same standard shouldn't be closed for any more.

 

What do you mean by "roads that don't work in summer"? The trans-pennine routes seem to operate perfectly well in summer until you hit the jams by Mottram.

 

 

No point in building a dual carriageway, more than likely it would be congested within 10/15 years. better to take the bull by the horns and build a proper motorway, like the M62. It's very feasible because there is acres of moor which is worth didly squat (except to the sheep) so very little property would have to be demolished. Run it from the end of the Stocksbridge by pass (which should have been a motorway) and connect it to the M67. Problem solved IMHO.

 

If we were very forward thinking, make it a four lane each way motorway, then it would be future proof to a great extent.

 

Will it ever happen, nah not in my lifetime, it's too far away from London where the money is.

 

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It is a pity that the decision was made to abandon the motorway from Sheffield to Manchester in the 1960s after the electrified train line was closed. It was just the first step in isolating Sheffield from major trading cities and served to make Sheffield less attractive to investors.

 

Yes. It's not as if they built the M1 through Sheffield at the same time.

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I think you are missing the point. HS2 is nothing to do with this although it will provide high speed lines to Liverpool and Manchester. ...

 

If you say things like "I think there is a very big danger posed by HS2. If it is (when) built it will pretty much by-pass Sheffield and link in to a Northern Powerhouse which is Liverpool, Manchester, Salford, Leeds and Bradford...".

 

and

"...HS2 is nothing to do with this although it will provide high speed lines to Liverpool and Manchester...", you are at best misleading your readers and repeating errors. This repeating of errors has to be challenged.

 

HS2 will not go to Liverpool, Salford or Bradford.

Salford? Manchester Victoria station is on the Salford/Manchester border- and as far as intercity traffic is concerned, synonymous/integrated with Manchester.

Salford will not have a HS2 station neither will the Salford Quays but the development their will need a quick link or they need to use the tram.

Liverpool - Crewe HS2 40 minutes + connection time.

Bradford - Leeds HS2 25 minutes + connection time.

 

HS2 does not bypass Sheffield, the location of the station at Victoria/Nunnery or Meadowhall will make it easily accessible to most of Sheffield and more importantly in attracting business, have better and faster connections than Leeds, Liverpool, Bradford and Salford, and nearly equal to Manchester.

 

A lot of heavy traffic from the Sheffield area uses the M62.

A lot of East Anglia, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire use the M62.

When a connection is built from the Sheffield region to Lancashire a lot of this traffic would use the new route.

It would also generate its own traffic by increasing commuting and business.

So any cross Pennine road in this area would need to be far more substantial than a dual carriageway which would cope with the present A6, Snake and Woodhead traffic.

This in turn would benefit the M62 West Yorkshire and Humberside to Lancashire users by relieving some of the congestion.

Edited by Annie Bynnol

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They've done well from having a motorway. Whatever you think of as an upgrade for Woodhead it won't be a motorway, but it will be a road where you can follow a heavily laden lorry for the whole distance or until it gets blocked by a lorry that can't make an incline in the snow.

 

Upgrade to a dual carriage way and it won't be hard to overtake lorries. Again - how many days does Woodhead get blocked by snow?

 

You do realise a tunnel like Mont Blanc would have less capacity than Woodhead - and no doubt have a rather expensive toll.

 

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No point in building a dual carriageway, more than likely it would be congested within 10/15 years. better to take the bull by the horns and build a proper motorway, like the M62. It's very feasible because there is acres of moor which is worth didly squat (except to the sheep) so very little property would have to be demolished. Run it from the end of the Stocksbridge by pass (which should have been a motorway) and connect it to the M67. Problem solved IMHO.

 

If we were very forward thinking, make it a four lane each way motorway, then it would be future proof to a great extent.

 

Will it ever happen, nah not in my lifetime, it's too far away from London where the money is.

 

Angel1.

 

No problem with that - far better than a tunnel. - just thinking what the government might be prepared to fork out for.

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No problem with that - far better than a tunnel. - just thinking what the government might be prepared to fork out for.

 

Would upgrading the A road to a motorway cause problems for local traffic? By that I mean, is it feasible for all the adjoining roads to be made into a motorway junctions? So if they just upgrade the A road a into dual carriageway I cannot see it being made into a motorway.

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Upgrade to a dual carriage way and it won't be hard to overtake lorries. Again - how many days does Woodhead get blocked by snow?

 

You do realise a tunnel like Mont Blanc would have less capacity than Woodhead - and no doubt have a rather expensive toll.

 

Upgrade to dual carriageway and you still have to stop at junctions to let traffic pass which is why folk get stuck on them in bad weather.

But nothing will happen because Sheffield is an insular backward looking city that manages to miss every opportunity to make itself attractive to investment.

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