The Rich Get Richer 2

[Ted Heath 10]

I dont think he gave them enough. A trifling amount considered the service they had been to the country.

 

Dont you reds remember when Wilson resigned? he dished out money AND peerages to Kagan and others, all of them dodgy.

 

Tony Blair was as bad, cash for honors in his case. Still Wislon and Bliar one a spy, the other a mass murderer, whats that compared to Cameron?

 

He went to Eton. We cant have that.

[Staunton 18]

Who the people over 50? I have not seen a single case of anyone who is made redundant being blamed for it, other than large companies where unions get involved and refuse to adapt to the market changes.

 

At the conservatives 2012 party conference George Osborne proclaimed 'Where is the fairness, we ask, for the shift-worker, leaving home in the dark hours of the early morning, who looks up at the closed blinds of their next-door neighbour sleeping off a life on benefits?'

 

From there on his friends in the tabloid world and the mainstream screen media (remember Benefits Street?) took up the theme, working ceaselessly to vilify those so unfortunate as to find themselves displaced by changes in the world of work. For example The Sun's 'Wage War on Shirkers' campaign, which was designed to create the illusion that unemployment is synonymous with ripping off the welfare system. It is not.

 

While the government cut thousands of posts across the public sector and facilitated the cynical private-sector takeover of public services (which led to thousands more redundancies) and as big businesses increased their exploitation of zero-hour, part-time, temporary contracts, those who lost their livelihoods or had to struggle on reduced incomes found themselves simultaneously demonised because of their need for support, and blamed for a deficit not of their making.

 

But when wealthy, powerful, well-placed individuals face such losses, their political friends fix it so that they can pocket a million to tide them over. And no doubt they will soon find themselves another lucrative position via the old boy network. We are not 'all in this together', as Cameron and Osborne repeated ad nauseam.

[Mister M 1,624]

I dont think he gave them enough. A trifling amount considered the service they had been to the country.

 

Dont you reds remember when Wilson resigned? he dished out money AND peerages to Kagan and others, all of them dodgy.

 

Tony Blair was as bad, cash for honors in his case. Still Wislon and Bliar one a spy, the other a mass murderer, whats that compared to Cameron?

 

He went to Eton. We cant have that.

 

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Edited July 18, 2016 by Mister M
Didn't want to feed the troll.

[tzijlstra 11]

Neoliberals are always at a disadvantage in argument because they are forced to defend untruths, and so find themselves reliant upon such empty phrases as they attempt to distract and misdirect.

 

Sorry, what? Can you point me towards a socialist 'truth' that stood the test of time?

[Staunton 18]

Sorry, what? Can you point me towards a socialist 'truth' that stood the test of time?

 

I'm not sure why you should imagine that I have anything positive to say about socialism.

[tzijlstra 11]

I'm not sure why you should imagine that I have anything positive to say about socialism.

 

What do you have anything positive to say about than?

[Jim Graham 10]

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Indeed it is. If ever more evidence that Cameron and his cronies were simply self-serving, out of touch, selfish incompetents, this is it.

 

What planet are they on to think that this is in any way acceptable.

 

Hang on. Are you suggesting Blair and his cronies were not self-serving? Can I point out Blunkett's £440k a year earnings when he was supposed to be serving his poverty stricken constituents. A few years ago I was given a ban from SF for posting a link to Blunkett's entry in the Register of Members Financial Interests including his £50k a year from Murdoch continuing AFTER the Millie Dowler scandal, and his directorship of the dodgy public sector provider A4e.

 

They are all in it. And Cameron isn't nearly the worst offender.

 

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... those (government employees) who lost their livelihoods or had to struggle on reduced incomes found themselves simultaneously demonised because of their need for support, and blamed for a deficit not of their making.[/i].

 

What do you suppose happened to hundreds of thousands of people who lost their jobs when Gordon Brown bombed the economy? The construction industry still hasn't got back to where it was in 2008.

 

And who pays for all those government employees? The Tooth Fairy? It certainly is not the government. The public sector is a luxury we afford ourselves by taking money from the private sector workers and businesses. And the less of them there are, the bigger the burden has to be. So it doesn't help when reckless politicians abuse their power to try and hang on to it but fail and ruin the economy. Why should the private sector workers cough up more tax to keep public sector workers in jobs?

[Anna B 1,412]

Who the people over 50? I have not seen a single case of anyone who is made redundant being blamed for it, other than large companies where unions get involved and refuse to adapt to the market changes.

 

Come off it. Critics don't discriminate. They lump anyone who is unemployed all together, they don't ask questions. Then they label them scroungers/skivers and a multiplicity of other not very nice names, encouraged, I might add, by the media and its plethora of 'dole' programmes and newspaper articles.

 

I notice you ignored the main point of my post which is that people in the real world don't get any extra help, and they are the ones who need it most, certainly more than already rich civil servants

 

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Hang on. Are you suggesting Blair and his cronies were not self-serving? Can I point out Blunkett's £440k a year earnings when he was supposed to be serving his poverty stricken constituents. A few years ago I was given a ban from SF for posting a link to Blunkett's entry in the Register of Members Financial Interests including his £50k a year from Murdoch continuing AFTER the Millie Dowler scandal, and his directorship of the dodgy public sector provider A4e.

 

They are all in it. And Cameron isn't nearly the worst offender.

I most certainly do not excuse Blair or his cronies either. Yes they are all at it, Labour and Tory.

Which is why it all needs to change - and that is what Jeremy Corbyn is all about. He wants to stop it and stop political corruption. And that is why he will probably be biting the dust anytime soon. It's also why he has such enormous backing from the electorate who can see it happening, and none from politicians - Can't have anyone putting an end to the gravy train can we?

Edited July 18, 2016 by Anna B

[Staunton 18]

What do you suppose happened to hundreds of thousands of people who lost their jobs when Gordon Brown bombed the economy? The construction industry still hasn't got back to where it was in 2008.

 

And who pays for all those government employees? The Tooth Fairy? It certainly is not the government. The public sector is a luxury we afford ourselves by taking money from the private sector workers and businesses. And the less of them there are, the bigger the burden has to be. So it doesn't help when reckless politicians abuse their power to try and hang on to it but fail and ruin the economy. Why should the private sector workers cough up more tax to keep public sector workers in jobs?

 

When Gordon Brown acted in the event of a sub-prime disaster created in the trading frenzy of deregulated capital he was a villain, but when George Osborne's policies failed he blamed the biggest financial collapse in living memory. For all their misdeeds New Labour did not crash the economy in 2008.

 

And who pays public sector employees?, we all do - through our taxes. Notice that the rich and big business have simply chosen not to pay the tax they owe - another scandal helped along by the financial sector and visited upon the poor.

[I1L2T3 10]

Most at the bottom of the pile didn't "find themselves" there, they got their through their own actions. A significant number didn't and are there through no fault of their own, but a larger number contributed heavily to their position in society.

 

Does anyone have a link to more information about Cameron's action please? I'd like to understand it more.

 

How does it happen?

[Mister M 1,624]

When Gordon Brown acted in the event of a sub-prime disaster created in the trading frenzy of deregulated capital he was a villain, but when George Osborne's policies failed he blamed the biggest financial collapse in living memory. For all their misdeeds New Labour did not crash the economy in 2008.

 

And who pays public sector employees?, we all do - through our taxes. Notice that the rich and big business have simply chosen not to pay the tax they owe - another scandal helped along by the financial sector and visited upon the poor.

 

Very good point.

[tzijlstra 11]

When Gordon Brown acted in the event of a sub-prime disaster created in the trading frenzy of deregulated capital he was a villain, but when George Osborne's policies failed he blamed the biggest financial collapse in living memory. For all their misdeeds New Labour did not crash the economy in 2008.

 

And who pays public sector employees?, we all do - through our taxes. Notice that the rich and big business have simply chosen not to pay the tax they owe - another scandal helped along by the financial sector and visited upon the poor.

I still don't know what you stand for, other than that you are 'against' things. Do you know what the black economy is?

The only reason this isn't a big issue in the UK is because the UK is totally inadequate when it comes to accountability systems. We all know it occurs at large though, poor or rich.