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Not only do you need civil service trade negotiators,you need others to go through 80,000 pages of EU law and decide which ones they are ditching,and which ones are keepers.

 

the quick answer is that we keep all the eu laws. most of them really aren't that bad and starting to fiddle with them in the current climate is really not going to help matters.

 

clearly some ammendments will be needed to restrict free movement and the reach of the euriopean court of justice but the limits of what we do is going to be determined by the results of our negotiations.

 

you get a team of mid ranking civil servants on the next shuttle to Brussels and start working on the following:

 

security cooperation

reasonable access to the single market

commitments to funding long term projects

cooperation on environmental matters

cooperation on foreign policy issues

taking joint or similar positions on certain matters

the various refugee problems

common regulations and agreements such as patents, there are hundreds of these little bits and pieces

having loob sent back so he can suffer with us

 

as we tick these off, make the necessary changes to domestic laws

 

easy really :)

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Is this some kind of joke with the Jock's

How on earth can they afford to leave and join the EU.

I see Nicola hasn't stepped off her soapbox for the past 48hrs.

 

Its crazy talk, but worse than that it's hampering progress!

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She said today a veto is possible however the plan is to do all she can to represent Scotland.

Why would she veto it and cause the **** storm that would follow? She's not stupid. She is just doing her job as leader of the SNP.

 

i imagine the price will be the enabling legislation for second referendum

 

They are not going to veto it. 40% of scots still backed brexit.

 

so, 48% backed remain

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She said today a veto is possible however the plan is to do all she can to represent Scotland.

Why would she veto it and cause the **** storm that would follow? She's not stupid. She is just doing her job as leader of the SNP.

 

They are not going to veto it. 40% of scots still backed brexit.

 

My Bold

 

You mean 40% of scots that voted?

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Also i do think there is a good case for a coalition government to see us through this.

Governments can and do change in this country, which is not good in these circumstances in negotiations of the highest level.

 

that is quite sensible and if the new leader of the conservative party can't hold them together then it might happen

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that is quite sensible and if the new leader of the conservative party can't hold them together then it might happen

 

I said the other day, all this Brexit business has the potential to destroy the top two parties.

 

Just out of interest, how many from the Lib Dems were heavily involved in this campaign. They've kept a little quite. Maybe that's the best strategy for them. Let the top two kill each other, then Lib Dems, come in.

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i imagine the price will be the enabling legislation for second referendum

 

 

 

so, 48% backed remain

 

 

Scotland are in the UK. The UK as a whole voted to democratically leave the EU.

Do you believe that Scotland should renege on that because they did not get their own way?

 

Do you believe the current government should have had all contingency plans intricately detailed for an EU exit instead of "we have no clue what to do" because we did not get our way? Is that not what a government is supposed to do.

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It's pretty much the same thing. Could you tell me when you think he has been dishonest please?

 

I already have. He didn't say he was going to resign just for a day.

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A quick question to people:

 

You are now the new conservative Prime Minister...

 

What would you do?

 

cry!

 

then

 

get the eu negotiations going as per my earlier post

get MI5 to get busy with extreme prejudice on johnson, gove and farage

get the leaders of the devolved bodies together, promise them the necessary enabling legislation for separation should they wish it but ask them not to use it until the final eu deal is settled

do my best to hold everything together

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This vote had brought up many many divisions, the Jocks through Sturgeon want to break away and stay in EU. In all honesty nobody knows what the concequences of leaving will be, but the remain groups are like big spoilt kids wanting another referendum.

 

If we did that everytime we didn't like the result of a vote, the Tories especially Maggie would never have got in :hihi:

 

It is time for Cameron to do the decent thing and say thanks all those that voted remain but, we were beaten accept that as it will happen, if not sod off to somewhere in the EU.

 

I hope there is not another vote as if there is, that is the end of democracy in this country and the lunatics will have taken over the asylum.:rant:

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Do you believe the current government should have had all contingency plans intricately detailed for an EU exit instead of "we have no clue what to do" because we did not get our way? Is that not what a government is supposed to do.
The current government (minus a few dissenters such as Gove) was campaigning for remain, the task of managing the leave aftermath lies entirely with the leave side, save for immediate damage control. On that last point, the Treasury and the BoE had contingency plans and went about implementing them first thing on Friday.

 

The rest is down to domestic politics, and it was entirely predictable that Cameron would wash his hands off the aftermath of a Leave win (I predicted it weeks ago, and I'm not particularly smart nor have any Tory/No.10 insider knowledge).

 

I see Johnson and Gove are still sat on their thumb at this time. Constructive criticism may usefully be directed at them, who campaigned hard for this outcome, than at Cameron, who campaigned the other way and now only has a caretaking role. It's not Cameron's job to start negotiations, he only promised a referendum (which he delivered) and to respect its outcome (which he has done, by resigning).

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Scotland are in the UK. The UK as a whole voted to democratically leave the EU.

Do you believe that Scotland should renege on that because they did not get their own way?

 

Do you believe the current government should have had all contingency plans intricately detailed for an EU exit instead of "we have no clue what to do" because we did not get our way? Is that not what a government is supposed to do.

 

The Westminster Parliament has precedent over the Scottish Assembly. The powers that Nicola Sturgeon is bleating about were not devolved. Like if the UK went to war Scotland couldn't vote not to join in. She can of course march her Westminster MPs down to London. Good luck with that one Nicola.

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