The consequence thread (Brexit)

[Lex Luthor 10]

Yep, but what the public think can be ignored. Can't it Lex?

 

I don't even think our politicians believe that, although I'm sure some will have initially thought on these lines.

[Litotes 63]

Yep, but what the public think can be ignored. Can't it Lex?

 

But the public now think brexit was a bad idea

[Radan 10]

I don't even think our politicians believe that, although I'm sure some will have initially thought on these lines.

 

They don't have to believe it. It's a fact.

 

No article 50 yet. Next year at the earliest according to Gove. It might all be forgotten by Xmas

[Lex Luthor 10]

How is it disrespect for democracy? The MPs we are asking to vote this through were all democratically elected for parties that had EU membership as a core policy.

 

The only party that campaigned on a platform of Brexit only got one MP

 

The referendum was reasonably close. Nearly half of those who voted do not want to Brexit.

 

I accept that there was a vote to Brexit but there are other factors that can't just be swept away. I think Brexiters fully understand this weakness as we move forward. The support is volatile and could easily switch back to remain, and there are going to be dozens of hurdles to negotiate many of which could reduce ongoing Brexit support.

 

Because our government decided to put the question to the people.

 

It was close, but we were told clearly how important the vote was and that even if there was only one vote between the sides, that would constitute a decision.

 

I understand that many people, almost half of who voted, are disappointed, and that is a very large number, and we have to respect this but the fact remains that we also have to respect that when the country was asked, they gave an answer.

[Litotes 63]

Because our government decided to put the question to the people.

 

It was close, but we were told clearly how important the vote was and that even if there was only one vote between the sides, that would constitute a decision.

 

I understand that many people, almost half of who voted, are disappointed, and that is a very large number, and we have to respect this but the fact remains that we also have to respect that when the country was asked, they gave an answer.

 

And if they were asked now, they would give a different answer. So which answer is right?

[Radan 10]

Because our government decided to put the question to the people.

 

It was close, but we were told clearly how important the vote was and that even if there was only one vote between the sides, that would constitute a decision.

 

I understand that many people, almost half of who voted, are disappointed, and that is a very large number, and we have to respect this but the fact remains that we also have to respect that when the country was asked, they gave an answer.

 

You seem to think we have power? This is a discussion thread that no-one is forcing you to read. Anyone here an MP?

 

If you want to complain, write to your MP. They are the ones in no rush but with the power to encourage Government to enact article 50.

[Lex Luthor 10]

They don't have to believe it. It's a fact.

 

No article 50 yet. Next year at the earliest according to Gove. It might all be forgotten by Xmas

 

Radan, the whole of parliament has had a huge shock and it is still reeling. I can understand MPs needing a little time to absorb it and re-group, and the same for the people. It's not going to go away though and delaying, what all the major politicians now seem to agree is the inevitable, risks damaging the economy further and weakening our negotiating position with the EU and alarmingly, will be pushing more people towards the extreme right wing parties.

 

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You seem to think we have power? This is a discussion thread that no-one is forcing you to read. Anyone here an MP?

 

If you want to complain, write to your MP. They are the ones in no rush but with the power to encourage Government to enact article 50.

 

I'm confused:huh: Are you responding to the correct post?

 

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And if they were asked now, they would give a different answer. So which answer is right?

 

You're asking the wrong person. I'm not so arrogant as to presume that either 'Leavers' or 'Remainers' are 'right'. Nobody knows which side is 'right', Nobody can predict the future and we will never know who was 'right' as there are too many variables, it's simply impossible.

 

I'm also not so arrogant to presume which way the country would vote if the question was put to them today. It was too close to call during the referendum and it's too close to call now.

Edited July 1, 2016 by Lex Luthor

[Radan 10]

Radan, the whole of parliament has had a huge shock and it is still reeling. I can understand MPs needing a little time to absorb it and re-group, and the same for the people. It's not going to go away though and delaying, what all the major politicians now seem to agree is the inevitable, risks damaging the economy further and weakening our negotiating position with the EU and alarmingly, will be pushing more people towards the extreme right wing parties.

 

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I'm confused:huh: Are you responding to the correct post?

 

No. You say 'we' have to respect the result. Who's we? The people you are moaning to here on this forum or the MPs that seem in no rush to trigger article 50?

 

What exactly are we on this forum doing to slow down the process?

[apelike 10]

And if they were asked now, they would give a different answer. So which answer is right?

 

Simple, just like in any election the first original vote count should be accepted, however narrow the margin. Based on the above we could also have a re-run in general elections as well which would be equally as daft.

 

Just think if Scotland had voted yes to their own independence then any subsequent referendum after on the EU would have probably gained a greater leave vote as they would not have taken part in it.

Edited July 1, 2016 by apelike

[Guest]

If MP's were to ignore the referendum result then that would, more than anything else, further poison politics in this country.

 

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And if they were asked now, they would give a different answer.

 

Pure supposition on your part.

[Lex Luthor 10]

No. You say 'we' have to respect the result. Who's we? The people you are moaning to here on this forum or the MPs that seem in no rush to trigger article 50?

 

What exactly are we on this forum doing to slow down the process?

 

The country. If you did not want the vote to be respected when you voted, did you still vote?

 

I'm not moaning to anyone, Radan. I'm just giving my opinion, as you are and what you quoted doesn't blame anyone on the forum for slowing down the process, so I don't know where you are getting that from.

Edited July 1, 2016 by Lex Luthor

[Radan 10]

If MP's were to ignore the referendum result then that would, more than anything else, further poison politics in this country.

 

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Pure supposition on your part.

 

Worried it might happen Alan? Why?