The consequence thread (Brexit)

[Eater Sundae 12]

I think you`re forgetting something, this is a one way process.

 

I can only keep saying I`m 100% certain if there was a rerun it`d go the other way. Don`t get me wrong the great majority of the leavers would still vote te same way, most of them wouldn`t change no matter what they were told (after all they believed some right guff during the campaign), but I`m certain enough of those in the middle would realise just what this is leading to. Everything from the minor, greatly restricted amounts of booze and fags can be brought in after your hols, to the serious, Possible break up of the UK and already, jobs apparently going abroad (HSBC). One of the very few people I know who voted to stay in, my nephew, has already said he wished he`d voted the other way. He was incensed when Farage said they weren`t going to spend all those (non existent as it happens) billions on the NHS.

 

I also realise why referendums are fundamentally incompatible with our constitution. Get this, if there was a snap general election, and, say, the Labour party and/or the Lib Dems went into it saying we`re not going to leave the EU if we get voted in, and they do get voted in, what then ?

 

The loss of HSBC will probably be seen as a good thing by some - "Lets get rid of those evil bankers"

[Bob Arctor 11]

A Norway deal is going to require free movement of people, adoption of EU laws and regulations and for us to contribute to the EU budget.

 

93 of the 100 most costly regulations would remain in place.

 

We might gain fisheries control but in all seriousness the net benefit would be marginal.

 

We would gain control over agricultural policy but our producers would lose all subsidies. If you ever visited a Norwegian supermarket they are dispiriting places. Eye wateringly expensive, limited poor quality veg and packed with stuff like frozen pizzas etc... They may have a nice life there but it's despite their diet not because of it.

 

Norway's contribution per head to the EU budget is only slightly less than ours.

 

Norway has the one of the fastest growing immigrant populations in Europe

 

We will have gained practically nothing.

 

Overall I suspect you are right, the establishment don't allow trivialities like votes stop them getting what they want. You can't compare the UK and Norway on agriculture though, hardly any of their land is farmable, that is a big factor in the poor availability in the shops, they have to import most of their food.

[Quik 10]

But these people are still going to need something or someone to blame. If it's not the EU, then who?

 

Our elected representatives who we can hold to account at the ballot box? Just a mad idea.

[foxy lady 10]

:hihi:

 

He actually got around 68% of the labour vote or something for remain which was not bad at all. Just not good enough. He was always a eurosceptic though.

 

That sounds like utter tripe as it was the Labour areas that overwhelmingly backed Brexit. 2/3 of the entire vote in Wakefield.

[andyofborg 11]

The loss of HSBC will probably be seen as a good thing by some - "Lets get rid of those evil bankers"

 

as long as they leave their taxes behind.....

 

when robert peston was at the bbc he used to write in his blog how part of the pounds value was a result of all the money flowing into london from overseas.

 

if that flow decreases then presumably the pound will fall in value

[francypants 441]

I think you`re forgetting something, this is a one way process.

 

I can only keep saying I`m 100% certain if there was a rerun it`d go the other way. Don`t get me wrong the great majority of the leavers would still vote te same way, most of them wouldn`t change no matter what they were told (after all they believed some right guff during the campaign), but I`m certain enough of those in the middle would realise just what this is leading to. Everything from the minor, greatly restricted amounts of booze and fags can be brought in after your hols, to the serious, Possible break up of the UK and already, jobs apparently going abroad (HSBC). One of the very few people I know who voted to stay in, my nephew, has already said he wished he`d voted the other way. He was incensed when Farage said they weren`t going to spend all those (non existent as it happens) billions on the NHS.

 

 

 

 

I also realise why referendums are fundamentally incompatible with our constitution. Get this, if there was a snap general election, and, say, the Labour party and/or the Lib Dems went into it saying we`re not going to leave the EU if we get voted in, and they do get voted in, what then ?

 

Oh well ............... never mind.

[Ridgewalk 101]

But these people are still going to need something or someone to blame. If it's not the EU, then who?

 

 

It depends on who the Sun and Daily Mail decide to target next eg Gold Plated Public Sector Pensions, Red Ed, Red Ken, Immigrants, the PC Brigade, Do Gooders, The French, The Germans, Argies, Liverpool Fans, the EU, Social Workers

 

They've all had a turn I'm sure some Public School educated toff working for the right wing tabloids will come up with something new

[I1L2T3 10]

ive also heard on another forum that both the government or the leave camp dont have a plan for actually leaving the EU.

 

they better get their thinking caps on

 

The leave camp never had a plan. It was repeatedly stated on here that it wasn't required.

 

They said on here it was the job of whatever government was in power to organise the process. They wanted somebody else to do it for them. Now it's their job. And they don't have a clue what to do.

[Ridgewalk 101]

That sounds like utter tripe as it was the Labour areas that overwhelmingly backed Brexit. 2/3 of the entire vote in Wakefield.

 

Only 2/3 ! Ruddy beginners, Barnsley voted 70%

[Cynic 10]

Now that we know that immigration is likely to remain very similar and the economy is probably going to be in worse state when we are out of the EU (a 0.2% drop in GDP is all it takes to outweigh the net cost of being in the EU for example) it all comes down to regaining complete control of making our own laws. What are the big ones I should be looking out for that we can overturn when the UK government has full control? The ones that make the likely financial turmoil and huge job losses worthwhile?

 

 

Edit - I just remembered that we can only stop obeying EU laws and have to stop paying into the EU if we get a better deal than other countries that want to be outside but have close ties with the EU like we do (eg Norway / Switzerland). I'll keep a positive outlook though as otherwise it just makes the whole thing seem even more pointless!

Edited June 26, 2016 by Cynic

[Mr Bloke 1,445]

Now that we know that immigration is likely to remain very similar and the economy is probably going to be in worse state when we are out of the EU (a 0.2% drop in GDP is all it takes to outweigh the net cost of being in the EU for example) it all comes down to regaining complete control of making our own laws. What are the big ones I should be looking out for that we can overturn when the UK government has full control? The ones that make the likely financial turmoil and huge job losses worthwhile?

Well...

 

... you'll be able to buy a new vacuum cleaner with as much power as you like!

[Guest]

You have no idea how insulting you come across here.

 

Yes, Alan, I know that I'm the "right sort of migrant".

 

 

yeah that rhetoric doesn't really work.

 

i can quite understand how loob and tj feel, the underlying meaning is basically "you can stop because you're useful but otherwise...."

 

 

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying unskilled migrants already here should leave, I'm not saying anyone should leave (apart from obviously illegal immigrants and foreign criminals) but going forward we should be more selective about who can come.