Is it time for Corbyn to resign.

[Jukes 10]

Please see post 1057..

 

That is the post where you admit to being a Jonny come lately who hasn't ever actually done anything for the party except pay £3 and then expect everyone to dance around your ego while you destroy the party's ability to oppose and/or govern. You will soon get bored when you are asked to do some actual work instead of being a keyboard warrior. Your opinion is worthless really because deep down you're just the same sort of narcissist as Donald Trump.

 

Jukes x

[foxy lady 10]

That is the post where you admit to being a Jonny come lately who hasn't ever actually done anything for the party except pay £3 and then expect everyone to dance around your ego while you destroy the party's ability to oppose and/or govern. You will soon get bored when you are asked to do some actual work instead of being a keyboard warrior. Your opinion is worthless really because deep down you're just the same sort of narcissist as Donald Trump.

 

Jukes x

 

But surely that is the ideal situation.

Labour have Corbyn who goes out of his way to make them unelectable. They become a party of protest and banner waving where the students can feel at home without causing too much harm.

The serious politicians from the Labour Party form a breakaway centre left party that clearly wouldn't have the support of New Labour and so never get to inflict their policies of spend and debt on the nation.

The Tories remain in power for a couple of decades which should allow them to complete the clean up of the financial mess Brown left behind as well as complete our withdrawl from the EU.

 

In 20 years or so the centre left parties will have amalgamated and will probably by then have formed a credible opposition.

 

The Labour Party fades to the level of Scargills Socialist Labour and they amalgamate so that their MPs have someone to talk to.

 

It will be interesting in Sheffield as it appears at the moment that we have 3 MPs in each Labour camp.

[unbeliever 10]

This is nonsense. I see you've specifically used direct tax to make your argument and I guess that's because you know that the overall tax burden for lower income people is increasing not falling.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-graph-that-shows-how-the-poor-are-paying-more-than-the-rich-in-tax-10353982.html

 

What Osborne have away in tax allowances he took back in other ways.

 

I'm not interested in a plot of gross total tax. Show me the net and we can talk.

Ideally, exclude tobacco and gambling taxes as I don't care if people who willfully burn their money get taxed whilst doing it.

[*_ash_* 88]

It's rather off topic, but I remember the Hallam student union having posters in the window advertising meetings and gatherings to protest against big tax dodging corporations. Next to the window, painted on the wall in the cafe is the 'Starbucks served here' slogan. The irony.

 

Doesn't surprise me.

 

You buy Dell products though, as stated previously.

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/08/tech_firms_avoiding_corp_tax/

 

Will you now stop?

 

My last Dell computer ceased working a few years ago the_bloke, and I bought an HP one. I don't know whether they're tax-dodgers.

 

Now I know that Dell tax-dodge (I didn't know that, but suspected it really as it's pretty obvious), but I will bear that in mind in future. Like I say though, I don't complain about them [the companies] as such, I complain about hypocrites who knowingly buy off tax-dodging companies AND complain about austerity, government not clamping down on them etc.

 

Like I said above and have said before, I buy off Amazon, and it seems pretty clear that they don't pay up what they should. On the other hand, they give me what I want and never had any hassle off them.

[The Joker 10]

My last Dell computer ceased working a few years ago the_bloke, and I bought an HP one. I don't know whether they're tax-dodgers.

 

I've purchased hundreds of Dell PCs over the years and their warranty support is the best I've experienced.

 

Get a 5 year, next-business-day onsite warranty and Dell will send an engineer round the next day to fix that computer.

 

HP (and I've purchased dozens of their PCs and servers) are happy to send the replacement parts and have me replace them unless I ask very nicely

 

Funnily enough, I was recently comparing Dell's desktop PC prices to those of smaller computer manufacturers such as Scan etc, and Dell were around 10% cheaper on a typical £400 desktop PC. So at least they're passing the tax savings onto me, the consumer

[*_ash_* 88]

I've purchased hundreds of Dell PCs over the years and their warranty support is the best I've experienced.

 

Get a 5 year, next-business-day onsite warranty and Dell will send an engineer round the next day to fix that computer.

 

HP (and I've purchased dozens of their PCs and servers) are happy to send the replacement parts and have me replace them unless I ask very nicely

 

Funnily enough, I was recently comparing Dell's desktop PC prices to those of smaller computer manufacturers such as Scan etc, and Dell were around 10% cheaper on a typical £400 desktop PC. So at least they're passing the tax savings onto me, the consumer

 

Yeah I was happy with both my old Dells. This HP one has been good too for a few years.

 

I'll be sure to check the tax dodging of next new one!

 

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Meanwhile, Angela Smith was on BBC Radio Sheff this afternoon, talking about Corbyn. Didn't think much to her, very much just reading out pre-thought answers (as you expect from MPs)

[Anna B 1,414]

Classic. Read my views on people who use all these products - KNOWING they are tax-dodging - then complain that they don't pay up.

 

You know what these people are called Joker? The MAJORITY.

 

That's one of the reason that I think the majority of people are morons

 

The dealings of these companies are so complex with parent companies etc it's very hard to avoid putting money into their coffers. I read somewhere that there are only about 10 corporations and absolutely everything finds its way back to them. No matter how hard you try to avoid them, they have it all stitched up. There are fewer and fewer independents who can survive this onslaught even though I always try to support them where I can. Does that make me a moron?

 

It's really up to the governments to make them pay their taxes, not individuals. They make me pay mine.

[altus 540]

Interesting article on Corbyn in the New Statesman yesterday. It explains the behaviour of his more vocal supporters on here very well.

[foxy lady 10]

 

Meanwhile, Angela Smith was on BBC Radio Sheff this afternoon, talking about Corbyn. Didn't think much to her, very much just reading out pre-thought answers (as you expect from MPs)

 

I note that 3 of the Sheffield MPs have signed the nomination for Owen Smith and another was already on the Momentum "Hostile to Corbyn" list. I'm not aware that any are openly backing Corbyn. How many local MPs will still be in the Labour Party this time next year?

 

We shouldn't forget this chap who I believe once led Sheffield Council.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36658006

Edited July 29, 2016 by foxy lady

[banjodeano 31]

That is the post where you admit to being a Jonny come lately who hasn't ever actually done anything for the party except pay £3 and then expect everyone to dance around your ego while you destroy the party's ability to oppose and/or govern. You will soon get bored when you are asked to do some actual work instead of being a keyboard warrior. Your opinion is worthless really because deep down you're just the same sort of narcissist as Donald Trump.

 

Jukes x

 

Wow, you sound very bitter Jukes that the party has moved from Blairist position to a socialist one. but please bear in mind the socialist position is where it all originally started until it was infiltrated by right wingers.

Yeah, you are right, i have not done anything for the party, but why should i? I have felt they didnt represent me, it was a struggle to vote for them, let alone go out knocking on doors asking other people to vote for them, but now the party is lurching to the left, i will indeed take a more active part in the movement

I see you didnt answer my question earlier when i asked you..

"How is he ruining our party by turning it into a laughing stock full of stuck up middle class graduates". as you described.?

[tinfoilhat 11]

Wow, you sound very bitter Jukes that the party has moved from Blairist position to a socialist one. but please bear in mind the socialist position is where it all originally started until it was infiltrated by right wingers.

Yeah, you are right, i have not done anything for the party, but why should i? I have felt they didnt represent me, it was a struggle to vote for them, let alone go out knocking on doors asking other people to vote for them, but now the party is lurching to the left, i will indeed take a more active part in the movement

I see you didnt answer my question earlier when i asked you..

"How is he ruining our party by turning it into a laughing stock full of stuck up middle class graduates". as you described.?

 

it wasn't "infiltrated by right wingers" - Jack Straw etc were about as far left as you could get in their youth, they grew into right wing/neocons/whatevers as they got older and realised socialism doesn't work.

[foxy lady 10]

it wasn't "infiltrated by right wingers" - Jack Straw etc were about as far left as you could get in their youth, they grew into right wing/neocons/whatevers as they got older and realised socialism doesn't work.

 

One of the right wingers calling for Corbyn to go.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36658006