dutch   68 #25 Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) if a gang of known Pakistani youths are going around causing trouble. is it racist to call them pakistanis?  Yes, not so much to the gang itself but it is racist to innocent Pakistani who have nothing to do with this and are now labelled in our unconscious minds by what we read about this gang.  Racism is a very delicate issue. Edited June 16, 2016 by dutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tomjames   10 #26 Posted June 16, 2016 Are they actually called The Fruit Corner Gang?  muller fruit corner gang Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
only_me   11 #27 Posted June 16, 2016 Myself and friends hung around Skelleys bridge as this place was known when we were kids in the 1970s. The police have no excuse whatsoever for not fully investigating any problem down there. There are many vantage points to watch from or place a camera etc. Back in the day you would not wish to bump into a copper down Skelleys we would have to run. The worst we got up to though was graffiti. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
F. Sidebottom   10 #28 Posted June 16, 2016 Yes, not so much to the gang itself but it is racist to innocent Pakistani who have nothing to do with this and are now labelled in our unconscious minds by what we read about this gang. Racism is a very delicate issue.  Unless the very cause of their actions is in relation to the identified grouping.  I.e. they attack only non Asian males.  Then it isn't wrong to identify them as such - their own actions have brought that about Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Yog Sothoth   10 #29 Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) Are they actually called The Fruit Corner Gang? I believe so. Edited June 17, 2016 by Yog Sothoth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Chelle-82 Â Â 10 #30 Posted June 16, 2016 My bad. Top Corner gang. Â :hihi: Â Shame, i really liked the name.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dutch   68 #31 Posted June 16, 2016 Unless the very cause of their actions is in relation to the identified grouping. I.e. they attack only non Asian males.  Then it isn't wrong to identify them as such - their own actions have brought that about  When I was very little and during my whole education I was taught that adolf hitler was a german. Now it was programmed in my unconscious mind that all germans were somehow related to this.  It is very difficult to use the race labels on a small group or gang without indirectly poisoning the identity of the whole race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
F. Sidebottom   10 #32 Posted June 16, 2016 When I was very little and during my whole education I was taught that adolf hitler was a german. Now it was programmed in my unconscious mind that all germans were somehow related to this.  It is very difficult to use the race labels on a small group or gang without indirectly poisoning the identity of the whole race.  I understand what you are saying, and do agree with you on some levels.  However, the Germans were responsible for letting Hitler gain power, and not acting to remove him.  If a group of males of a particular ethnic minority want to attack members of public that are not of the same minority, then they have made a race issue. Perhaps the other members of their community who will be affected by racial stereotyping need to deal with it.  Being an apologist for those innocent members of their community is cowardly and anti social towards everyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dutch   68 #33 Posted June 16, 2016 It is racist towards each and every Pakistani that is not a member of this gang to associate their racial background with what this gang has done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
F. Sidebottom   10 #34 Posted June 16, 2016 It is racist towards each and every Pakistani that is not a member of this gang to associate their racial background with what this gang has done.  Sorry, you just keep burying your head if that's what suits.  I'd rather not be a coward, I'd rather stand up for justice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dutch   68 #35 Posted June 16, 2016 Sorry, you just keep burying your head if that's what suits. I'd rather not be a coward, I'd rather stand up for justice.  Justice means to treat everyone fair and equally the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
kidley   48 #36 Posted June 16, 2016 It is racist towards each and every Pakistani that is not a member of this gang to associate their racial background with what this gang has done.  So if they where known white English, it would be branding each and every English person that was not a member of this gang to, associate their racial background with what this gang has done.  Is that what you are saying? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...