Tomjames   10 #589 Posted June 21, 2016 I'm IN, simple as that. I don't believe in all the negative scaremongering going on on either side. Life is more mundane than people would lead us to believe. I see the point on both sides, but personally I feel European and I want to be European.  I want to be European too tbh. I want us to make an extra effort to integrate ourselves with the rest of europe post referendum with an abundance mentality. Working abroad, languages, welcoming other nations citizens and fixing problems with pooled solutions.  The Uk can become a european beacon not broken Britain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Berberis   10 #590 Posted June 21, 2016 I want to be European too tbh. I want us to make an extra effort to integrate ourselves with the rest of europe post referendum with an abundance mentality. Working abroad, languages, welcoming other nations citizens and fixing problems with pooled solutions. The Uk can become a european beacon not broken Britain.  I couldn't agree more. I see our membership of the EU like an unused Gym membership. If you don't go to the gym all you see is the money going out of your account and no results. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
foxy lady   10 #591 Posted June 21, 2016 Not because his career was ended here and he found work abroad then?  Has Richard Branson's career ended? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman   10 #592 Posted June 21, 2016 Has Richard Branson's career ended?  What about Beckham? If I was Branson I'd look to live somewhere that had nice weather..wouldn't you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tomjames   10 #593 Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) I couldn't agree more. I see our membership of the EU like an unused Gym membership. If you don't go to the gym all you see is the money going out of your account and no results.  At 30p per day. It's nothing. Represents 1% of the economy. We pay five times as much every year just on interest on debt the government has totted up. Edited June 21, 2016 by Tomjames ihih Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #594 Posted June 21, 2016 I want to be European too tbh. I want us to make an extra effort to integrate ourselves with the rest of europe post referendum with an abundance mentality. Working abroad, languages, welcoming other nations citizens and fixing problems with pooled solutions. The Uk can become a european beacon not broken Britain.  You talk like it's a new idea. Like we haven't been members of this organisation since 1973. It creates far more problems than it solves, and it continuously integrates further. Look at the reality, not the ideal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Zamo   10 #595 Posted June 21, 2016 I want to be European too tbh. I want us to make an extra effort to integrate ourselves with the rest of europe post referendum with an abundance mentality. Working abroad, languages, welcoming other nations citizens and fixing problems with pooled solutions. The Uk can become a european beacon not broken Britain.  If we were to hold this referendum solely on the principle of whether we should we have self-rule (leave) or federal Europe rule (stay), then it would be a landslide victory for self-rule. The Stay campaign know this and that is why they haven't even bothered to try and sell your vision. They instead focus on getting people to abandon their principles out of fear. If we vote to stay it will be a hollow victory. It is like getting someone to consent whilst holding a knife to their throat... it's delusional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #596 Posted June 21, 2016 If we were to hold this referendum solely on the principle of whether we should we have self-rule (leave) or federal Europe rule (stay), then it would be a landslide victory for self-rule. The Stay campaign know this and that is why they haven't even bothered to try and sell your vision. They instead focus on getting people to abandon their principles out of fear. If we vote to stay it will be a hollow victory. It is like getting someone to consent whilst holding a knife to their throat... it's delusional.  Vote remain or the puppy gets it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tomjames   10 #597 Posted June 21, 2016 You talk like it's a new idea. Like we haven't been members of this organisation since 1973. It creates far more problems than it solves, and it continuously integrates further. Look at the reality, not the ideal.  I'm not saying it's a new idea. I know it's imperfect.  The referendum has shone a light on the EU. It's beneficial that more public are now aware of what goes on there and more eager to affect and change it for the better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #598 Posted June 21, 2016 I'm not saying it's a new idea. I know it's imperfect.  The referendum has shone a light on the EU. It's beneficial that more public are now aware of what goes on there and more eager to affect and change it for the better.  Nothing will change. "Hey that thing which has been doing the same things for 59 years. I just noticed it. Maybe if I ask it nicely it will do something else for the next 59 years." Pull the other one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tomjames   10 #599 Posted June 21, 2016 If we were to hold this referendum solely on the principle of whether we should we have self-rule (leave) or federal Europe rule (stay), then it would be a landslide victory for self-rule. The Stay campaign know this and that is why they haven't even bothered to try and sell your vision. They instead focus on getting people to abandon their principles out of fear. If we vote to stay it will be a hollow victory. It is like getting someone to consent whilst holding a knife to their throat... it's delusional.  Yes there is a case for saying we wouldnt join the EU today if we were out now.  However, this is a parallel universe decision not a reality one! All other factors considered it's the right decision to remain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #600 Posted June 21, 2016 Yes there is a case for saying we wouldnt join the EU today if we were out now. However, this is a parallel universe decision not a reality one! All other factors considered it's the right decision to remain.  That's very short-sighted. You're storing up big problems for the future to avoid possible smaller ones now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...