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Do you think Lecturers industrial action is justified?  

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Quite right. In this case though, part of the problem has been the unwillingness of the universities to negotiate. The dispute dates back to last October(!), but no talks took place until at least March this year.

 

I think the university governing bodies are rather cynically putting off their negotiation so that the lecturers can be lambasted in the press. Its a dirty tactic, and itll probably work. Glad Im out of it.

 

Agreed. I don't disagree with what you're saying about the Ucea either. But I don't see their 'dirty tactics' as any more dirty than lecturers using students as pawns!

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Quite right. In this case though, part of the problem has been the unwillingness of the universities to negotiate. The dispute dates back to last October(!), but no talks took place until at least March this year.

 

I think the university governing bodies are rather cynically putting off their negotiation so that the lecturers can be lambasted in the press. Its a dirty tactic, and itll probably work. Glad Im out of it.

 

The lecturers could have striked at any time, but they deliberately chose the time of most impact. That's pretty spiteful IMO. Students are being dragged into this dispute whether they want to be or not.

 

I'm an RA myself, but I think the cost of this is far too high. If the lecturers had chosen to strike at any other time than exam time I'd have agreed with them, but student exams are too important to be held to ransom in this way.

 

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I've got a letter in my hand from my MP that states that the UCEA made an offer on 8th May of 12.6% minimum for everybody, with up to 15% for the lowest paid. Which is ADDITIONAL to rises of 3%- 5% that will be implemented from September 2006 when the new pay framework for Higher Education comes into play. So that's at least 15.6%-17.6% for everybody (over 3 years) with UP TO 20% for the lowest paid. Hardly unfair I think?

 

However people at Sheffield will be graduating without classified degrees, and where degrees have been awarded without 100% of results being available they will be provisional degrees until the marks are released to the university.

 

It isn't just this year final students that will be affected. Those who are in their second year who haven't yet had exams/assessment set won't ever get it set and THEREFORE will pass with degrees based on less than the 240 credits that degrees are usually based on. How will employers take degrees that aren't the full 240 credits?

 

It's high time they got it sorted.

 

 

These figures don't match those supplied by UCEA- The offer is 12.6% over 3 years- nothing extra (except for lowest paid staff-e.g. cleaners- who are to receive about 15% for the 3 years): http://www.ucea.ac.uk/documents/3_news/figures240506.pdf

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Have you studied them?

 

I just wonder what proof you have that these courses are less intensive, less academic and don't give people the life skills that other degrees give?

 

Considering how rare it is to get a job in the field you study in nowadays, I'd think these degrees would prepare you in terms of work skills just as much as say an English degree or perhaps even a science degree if you don't go into a science field.

 

Wilf, Proud BA (Hons) Film and Media with Production student

 

The truth is that many companies in broadcasting want English not Media studies. People i know at the BBC say they won't normally consider Media studies because it's seen as inferior to English. SO the question is why Would you studie media studie? If you key employeres preffer english then the conclusion may well be that YOU know that Eglish degrees are harder.

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The truth is that many companies in broadcasting want English not Media studies. People i know at the BBC say they won't normally consider Media studies because it's seen as inferior to English. SO the question is why Would you studie media studie? If you key employeres preffer english then the conclusion may well be that YOU know that Eglish degrees are harder.

 

I admit I used to think Media Studies was a bit of a 'Mickey Mouse' degree, but I had many friends who studied it and have gone on to get very good jobs in television and film. Not everybody wants to work for the BBC, many of those that do go to Oxford to do English, but the BBC isn't the only employer.

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Erm, english degree harder? i think not, I just don't think that the English literature (as taught by schools and up to A level) has any bearing on real life. The texts it chooses are dated and offered nothing I wished to study, not because it was hard but because they haven't kept contemporary.

 

Where is the gonzo journalism on the curriculum? Where are the works of William Gibson which become so much more relevant as time passes. THAT'S why I didn't pick english.

 

A second note is that I wanted something a bit more vocational than pure academia which english doesn't and couldn't offer me.

 

The truth about companies wanting english (because I have asked them) is that they are willing to take on anyone who is good enough, but when it comes to purely academic roles they want someone who has done a purely academic course often because thats what they are employing someone for,not someone who can do all the other stuff.

 

The reasons I picked Film and Media were not because it is seen as 'mickey mouse' or easy. I picked it because it is a field that gives me what I want. More so that any other subject, media studies is wholly relevant to real life, it gives you a set of tools to analyse every advert, every TV show, every film, every book, every internet site, every magazine and beyond. It gives you the ability to analyse newspapers, factual programs and most of all it merges with other subjects like philosophy, sociology and psychology to try and give a greater understanding of how humanity functions at a mass level.

 

As for it being easy. Would you care to explain Althusser's work on ideology, its context in the soviet revelution of the early 20th century and what films can be said to have metaphorical parallels with it?

 

No? Do you want to try Barthes ideas on semiotics and apply them to post modern advertising and see why the idea of signifier/signified breaks down?

 

How about how the Media maintain hegemony and the BBC's relationship with this and Rupert Murdoch, including an analysis of editorial content of the sun over the last twenty years?

 

Still no? Lets take a look at Laura Mulvey and her psycholoanalytical theories of film which derive from Freud's own theories and discuss whether it applies John Ford's westerns more so that say the musicals made at the time in the Hollywood studio System.

 

I can do all those and we've barely scratched the surface of Media. Buzzwords, new terminology, soundbites, disinformation, the global village and the rest of McLuhan (a genius at work) can be trown into the mix. Can I continue onto then adding new media technology into the place of all this? What are the direct implications, what about the long term sociological ones, does it destabilise government by making a true democracy more likely? What about its impact on our children, does growing up with a new technology actually change the way they think?

 

Need I go on? Media is a massive subject with everything being so relevant. Perhaps that is the reason it isn't seen as academic; a word that has connotation is being fusty, old and contained within huge leater bound journals or neat numbers on a page.

 

If academic means having to take a critical eye to something, take it apart to see why it acts the way it does, then putting it back together to see why it makes a gestalt entity, then Media is academic, but it also gives you the necessary tools to be able to construct things yourself with an expert eye, I can write scripts, make films, set up an advertising claim, build a news broadcast or whatever. Proof of this is in the fact I'm head of programming at Student Radio in my Uni.

 

Remember, media is all pervasive. Massspeak is youspeak. Youspeak is allspeak!

 

Wilf, STILL a proud Film and Media with production student!

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These figures don't match those supplied by UCEA- The offer is 12.6% over 3 years- nothing extra (except for lowest paid staff-e.g. cleaners- who are to receive about 15% for the 3 years): http://www.ucea.ac.uk/documents/3_news/figures240506.pdf

 

Just to make clear, the lowest paid staff haven't been offered a different pay deal. They will effectively receive a higher percentage because of the lower amount of tax they will pay on it.

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Oh you've ruined it, now no-one is gonna see my rant about media studies!

 

It was the academic version of breaking the end of the bottle off with the table and shouting 'you want some!'

 

Wilf

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Oh you've ruined it, now no-one is gonna see my rant about media studies!

 

It was the academic version of breaking the end of the bottle off with the table and shouting 'you want some!'

 

Wilf

 

Sorry! It was a very good rant! :D

 

Here you go: Everybody check 3 posts up for BrainThrust's rant on why Media degrees aren't worthless!

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Erm, english degree harder? i think not, I just don't think that the English literature (as taught by schools and up to A level) has any bearing on real life. The texts it chooses are dated and offered nothing I wished to study, not because it was hard but because they haven't kept contemporary.

 

A second note is that I wanted something a bit more vocational than pure academia which english doesn't and couldn't offer me.

 

As for it being easy. Would you care to explain Althusser's work on ideology, its context in the soviet revelution of the early 20th century and what films can be said to have metaphorical parallels with it?

 

No? Do you want to try Barthes ideas on semiotics and apply them to post modern advertising and see why the idea of signifier/signified breaks down?

 

How about how the Media maintain hegemony and the BBC's relationship with this and Rupert Murdoch, including an analysis of editorial content of the sun over the last twenty years?

 

Still no? Lets take a look at Laura Mulvey and her psycholoanalytical theories of film which derive from Freud's own theories and discuss whether it applies John Ford's westerns more so that say the musicals made at the time in the Hollywood studio System.

 

I can do all those and we've barely scratched the surface of Media. Buzzwords, new terminology, soundbites, disinformation, the global village and the rest of McLuhan (a genius at work) can be trown into the mix. Can I continue onto then adding new media technology into the place of all this? What are the direct implications, what about the long term sociological ones, does it destabilise government by making a true democracy more likely? What about its impact on our children, does growing up with a new technology actually change the way they think?

 

 

Remember, media is all pervasive. Massspeak is youspeak. Youspeak is allspeak!

 

Wilf, STILL a proud Film and Media with production student!

 

We can all give out meaningless references from our own fiedl of expertise, that doesn't make it difficult it just means its an area you have learned. Any proffesion has it's own reference material. I'm sure given a push someone at McDonald could come up with some work related phrases you would understand. Big titles and People no ones heard of don't make it central to all out live as you seem to think. Remember before Media Mickeys Degree world class film where being made, World class music was performed and written, World class newspapers where changing the worlds view. So really the only thing left on your list that we need MS degree students for is Advertising. Hmmmm that would be a loss to the world wouldn't it. No adverts that the general publicdon't get but Media people all pat each other on the back for. For someone in touch with the zeitgeist (I used that work because your bound to have studied it :thumbsup: ) You don't seem to have justified the study area and it's lecturers high pay claims very well. And don't seem to be in touch with the general feeling toward the mass rush to study for the sake of putting off the decision of what to do with the rest of there lives.

 

Thats my rant over and it's nearly as good without 3 years studying the effects of the web and web posts on global thinking.

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Perhaps if the lecturers on this thread spent a little less office time posting on SF, I'd be more convinced of their heavy workload and their deserve of said pay rise...

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Perhaps if the lecturers on this thread spent a little less office time posting on SF, I'd be more convinced of their heavy workload and their deserve of said pay rise...

 

Or perhaps it isn't office time and most of us are taking some of our annual leave now the students have gone....

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