Brussels airport bombing 22/03/2016

[lazarus 68]

Open borders is the worse decision ever made, the Terrorists must be laughing their heads off.

[pretty_big 10]

Like these threads are full of political debate :rolls eyes:

 

Well maybe you should keep comments about spelling to one side, how'd you know the poster isn't dyslexic.

[Zamo 10]

and people against immigration and the EU are using yet again the terrible events in Belgium as a tool in their quest to get what they want

 

Yes the quest for selective immigration, the freedom to determine our own deportation policies and set our own laws. What's wrong with that?

 

We have allowed millions of Muslims to settle in Europe and have failed to demand integration because of political correctness. As such the problem of religious extremism that plagues the Muslim world now oozes from Muslim communities here, threatening us, leading to freedoms being chipped away at and costing us billions to police. Of course people are going to complain about this and use it as evidence that change is needed. It is relevant to the debate, which also needs to consider the fact that mass immigration from the Muslim world has had a negative financial impact, placed a strain on public services and caused social tensions because of behaviours driven by different cultural values.

 

The debate is going to go on, whether you like it or not, until the problems emanating from Muslim communities are addressed. And if solutions are not forthcoming then, as Blair predicts, people are going to choose a hardline response because they have had enough of the 'flabby liberalism' that has given us this.

 

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Your claim that ''Mass migrants from the Muslim world has drained the nation's coffers,'' is supported by zero evidence; it's an obvious and baseless lie.

 

Not even the most disingenuous study into the financial impact of immigration can spin it to show non-European immigrants making a positive financial contribution... and immigration from the Muslims world clearly account for the majority of people in this category. Every report on the matter confirm a massive negative contribution. I'm sorry but ALL the evidence supports my assertion.

[LeMaquis 10]

Yes the quest for selective immigration, the freedom to determine our own deportation policies and set our own laws. What's wrong with that?

 

What makes you think selective immigration and our own laws will stop terrorism? They have that in the USA but have had September 11th and Boston. Terrorists will get in regardless of laws. It's not difficult to get into Europe and move freely across borders by avoiding controls. Illegal immigrants get into the UK now and we're not in Schengen.

[philipmchugh 10]

Plenty more to come. They are making plans in every European country. What does it take to waken people up. They are the 'Enemy Within', and Mrs Thatcher if you are watching up(down) there, they are not the miners.

[pretty_big 10]

What makes you think selective immigration and our own laws will stop terrorism? They have that in the USA but have had September 11th and Boston. Terrorists will get in regardless of laws. It's not difficult to get into Europe and move freely across borders by avoiding controls. Illegal immigrants get into the UK now and we're not in Schengen.

 

Ok LeMaquis let me try and approach you from your side of the fence, what would you do to stop Islamic terrorism on British soil by foreign and homegrown terrorists and also stop the same happening in other European countries?

[JFKvsNixon 11]

Ok LeMaquis let me try and approach you from your side of the fence, what would you do to stop Islamic terrorism on British soil by foreign and homegrown terrorists and also stop the same happening in other European countries?

 

Aren't Islamic terrorist already being stopped on British soil being stopped without the need for need jerk reactions? We're approaching ten years since the 7/7 attacks.

[pretty_big 10]

Aren't Islamic terrorist already being stopped on British soil being stopped without the need for need jerk reactions? We're approaching ten years since the 7/7 attacks.

 

Yes and we've got our secret/intelligence services to thank for that, the only problem is we've got 100's that have gone to Syria/Libya/Iraq etc that have been AND more astonishingly COME BACK ! We also have hate preachers openly on the streets not being arrested.

[JFKvsNixon 11]

Yes and we've got our secret/intelligence services to thank for that, the only problem is we've got 100's that have gone to Syria/Libya/Iraq etc that have been AND more astonishingly COME BACK ! We also have hate preachers openly on the streets not being arrested.

 

You asked what we should do to stop the islamic terrorists on British soil, and you have had your answer. They are getting stopped, so there is no need for knee-jerk reactions.

[L00b 441]

What makes you think selective immigration and our own laws will stop terrorism?

The UK has that already, (minus the EU immigration angle of course).

 

The UK has been successful (so far) in monitoring, detecting and neutralising threats, because it has a long history of dealing with domestic terrorism down to the IRAs activities, and equipped itself with the means to fight the problem decades ago.

 

Same with France (but for the last few attacks, I daresay there would have been significantly more of them, was the DST not on the ball since the 80s and before: extremist Muslim terrorism in France goes back a long long time, decades before the 90s Iraq war no.1).

 

Same with Germany, down to Munich and the Baader-Meinhof lot.

 

Same with Italy, down to the Red Brigade lot.

 

Belgium's "problem" is that, historically, its colonial past and aftermath never visited violence on its home turf, so it was ill-equipped to monitor, detect and neutralise terrorist threats. No problem = no money spent on the potential problem. It is currently as under-resourced as most other €zone countries to fund more surveillance, and infiltrating cells with intel agents takes a long time.

 

The Daesh strategy is clearly to swamp and stretch Western domestic intel agencies with numbers, to the point wherein intel agencies can't keep track no matter how much scrambling and money is poured into them at the last minute. It's obviously working, by the admission of the Belgians (and a few others) themselves.

 

Objectively, at the moment there is no European solution to this that I can see. Whether one looks at the UK in isolation of the Continent or not, Brexited or not.

 

To those raising Brexit as a solution to the 'problem' posed by human rights of terrorists, may I remind you that the ECHR (which hears such matters) has nothing to do with the EU, so until and unless the UK withdraws from that as well, human rights of terrorists will continue to be a bone of contention after a Brexit just the same.

[Harrystottle 10]

Brexit as an answer to Islamic terrorism is just playing politics. Though Brexit may prevent that nice Mrs Merkel from insisting that we take our 'fair share' of refugees that she invited into Europe. But in or out we will remain a target.

 

What will happen (is happening) is more votes for nationalist parties across Europe.

 

Oh, and maybe more votes for Donald Trump.

Edited March 23, 2016 by Harrystottle

[milquetoast1 10]

This is a pure result of unjustified invasions, occupations, bombings, drone strikes and deadly sanctions on innocent people , ISIL is a product of injustice.

 

If you want to finish ISIL, finish injustice from this world , ask supper powers to stop stealing resources of others.

 

Evil acts can only produce evil results...

 

Most victims of ISIS are Muslim anyway so those who bark on about 'motivated by religion/book to kill non believers' have no idea what they are talking about.

 

Let us not forget the hundreds of thousands killed from secularist wars by the West which has destroyed Iraq/Syria/Afghanistan/Libya- left it all distabalized and then we cry foul when these attacks happen close to home.

 

Victim blaming at it's finest.

 

Identity politics at it's finest.

 

How often do you consider the victims of violent intolerances in Western Sahara or West Papau as much as you do those in " Iraq/Syria/Afghanistan/Libya"?

 

(Note the inclusion of Syria, presumably for non-intervention in the crazy heads the West is wrong, tails the West is not right, world of Baz1)

 

Why the emphasis of Muslim victims in far away places where blame can be apportioned so neatly and erroneously to non-Muslims?

 

What's secularism got to do with anything?

 

I'd be quite surprised if Khalid and Brahim el-Bakraoui didn't agree with you, and justify their actions with similar reasoning.