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11 hours ago, Yeah but said:

It blows my mind to think that when you look at the moon you're not looking at it as it is in that moment in real time, you're looking at it from approx. 15 minutes ago due to the fact that it takes that amount of time for the light that emanates of it to reach our eyeballs from where it is.

Someone already corrected the time, but you should also note that no light emanates from the moon, light is reflected from the moon and emanates from the sun.

On 20/05/2019 at 15:03, petemcewan said:

The Sun, Gas or Condensed Matter? 

Why must the sun be homogenous when very little else is?

 

That said, the majority is a plasma isn't it (electrons are stripped from the atoms by the high temperature).

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2 hours ago, Cyclone said:

Someone already corrected the time, but you should also note that no light emanates from the moon, light is reflected from the moon and emanates from the sun.

Why must the sun be homogenous when very little else is?

 

That said, the majority is a plasma isn't it (electrons are stripped from the atoms by the high temperature).

OK, but the point I was (struggling) to make is that the sight/image of the moon takes time to travel the distance from where it is to reach our eyes due to the distance. You could say this is time travel in a way and its mind blowing to me.

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On 20/05/2019 at 15:03, petemcewan said:

The Sun, Gas or Condensed Matter? 

Plasma, with a possible core of degenerate matter..

 

It doesnt have sufficient mass to collapse past the Chandraskehar limit so will never make neutron degeneracy and the radiation from the core keeps the outer envelope convecting.

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1 hour ago, Yeah but said:

OK, but the point I was (struggling) to make is that the sight/image of the moon takes time to travel the distance from where it is to reach our eyes due to the distance. You could say this is time travel in a way and its mind blowing to me.

There are more prosaic and practical examples.  Count the time between seeing a lightning strike and hearing the boom, that's due to the difference in the speed of light and the speed of sound in air.  Neither are instantaneous.

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On 22/05/2019 at 05:57, Halibut said:

Even if you spell it correctly the statement  'A gaseous object cannot collapse' is total nonsense .

Pete McEwan is correct; a gas cannot compress itself to do work on itself and raise its own temperature. To argue otherwise, as the astronomers and cosmologists do, is a violation of the 1st law of thermodynamics, creating a perpetual motion machine of the 1st kind. 

On 22/05/2019 at 20:12, Obelix said:

Plasma, with a possible core of degenerate matter..

 

It doesnt have sufficient mass to collapse past the Chandraskehar limit so will never make neutron degeneracy and the radiation from the core keeps the outer envelope convecting.

That's not correct. The Sun is condensed matter, as its thermal spectrum attests.  There are 39 other proofs that it is condensed matter, 

 

Robitaille P.-M., Forty Lines of Evidence for Condensed Matter — The Sun on Trial: Liquid Metallic Hydrogen as a Solar Building Block, Progress in Physics, v.4, pp.90-142, (2013),

http://www.ptep-online.com/2013/PP-35-16.PDF

 

Here is a lecture:

 

Robitaille, P.-M.,  Is the Sun a Gas? The Standard Model Explained!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDFPx6zVxSw

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On 05/01/2019 at 00:48, Obelix said:

Yes.

 

Umm, so?

 

Despite his protestations over the last thirty or forty years this is not new stuff and is adequately explained. If he is still confused about reflections I think he needs to look at Kirchoff again.

Crothers, S.J., Professor Gian-Luca Oppo -ats- Mr. Ivor Catt: A Case Study in Electromagnetic Theory, http://vixra.org/pdf/1805.0135v1.pdf

 

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1 hour ago, SJCrothers said:

Pete McEwan is correct; a gas cannot compress itself to do work on itself and raise its own temperature. To argue otherwise, as the astronomers and cosmologists do, is a violation of the 1st law of thermodynamics, creating a perpetual motion machine of the 1st kind. 

That's not correct. The Sun is condensed matter, as its thermal spectrum attests.  There are 39 other proofs that it is condensed matter, 

 

Robitaille P.-M., Forty Lines of Evidence for Condensed Matter — The Sun on Trial: Liquid Metallic Hydrogen as a Solar Building Block, Progress in Physics, v.4, pp.90-142, (2013),

http://www.ptep-online.com/2013/PP-35-16.PDF

 

Here is a lecture:

 

Robitaille, P.-M.,  Is the Sun a Gas? The Standard Model Explained!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDFPx6zVxSw

I think I'd rather go with the astronomers and cosmologists thanks.

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1 hour ago, SJCrothers said:

Pete McEwan is correct; a gas cannot compress itself to do work on itself and raise its own temperature. To argue otherwise, as the astronomers and cosmologists do, is a violation of the 1st law of thermodynamics, creating a perpetual motion machine of the 1st kind. 

That's not correct. The Sun is condensed matter, as its thermal spectrum attests.  There are 39 other proofs that it is condensed matter, 

 

Robitaille P.-M., Forty Lines of Evidence for Condensed Matter — The Sun on Trial: Liquid Metallic Hydrogen as a Solar Building Block, Progress in Physics, v.4, pp.90-142, (2013),

http://www.ptep-online.com/2013/PP-35-16.PDF

 

Here is a lecture:

 

Robitaille, P.-M.,  Is the Sun a Gas? The Standard Model Explained!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDFPx6zVxSw

You are so wrong you are not even merely wrong.

 

Why is a gas hotter then if there is more of it in a column compressing it?

 

Where is your proof for the revocation of the Ideal Gas equation?

 

Sun is condensed matter? Define "condensed" matter please - I'm well aware of your bait and switch word games.

 

Also I'll thank you to answer the innumerable questions I've already required of you and which you've ignored.

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On 27/05/2019 at 02:50, Obelix said:

You are so wrong you are not even merely wrong.

 

Why is a gas hotter then if there is more of it in a column compressing it?

 

Where is your proof for the revocation of the Ideal Gas equation?

 

Sun is condensed matter? Define "condensed" matter please - I'm well aware of your bait and switch word games.

 

Also I'll thank you to answer the innumerable questions I've already required of you and which you've ignored.

Here is another for you to contemplate: 

Stephen J. Crothers and Pierre-Marie Robitaille,

Presentation at Ohio Meeting 2019 of the American Physical Society: Stellar Mass-Luminosity and its Violation of Thermodynamics,

 

 

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On 27/05/2019 at 02:10, Halibut said:

I think I'd rather go with the astronomers and cosmologists thanks.

Those very same astronomers and cosmologists who violate the laws of thermodynamics at every turn, who claim that a gas can compress itself to do work on on itself and raise its own temperature, who claim that stars have negative heat capacities. Here is another example of their errors:

 

Stephen J. Crothers and Pierre-Marie Robitaille,

Presentation at Ohio Meeting 2019 of the American Physical Society: Stellar Mass-Luminosity and its Violation of Thermodynamics,

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

Mt San Jacinto visible from 120 miles. 5-45 minutes to 7 minutes.

 

 

Edited by MAC33

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