No pension till mid 70-s

[El Cid]

The state pension retirement age of 65 was introduced in 1925 when the average life expectancy was 63.

 

 

But they started work at the age of 14, non stop until they were 65 Now they can get free education until they are 19, and although they have to pay for uni, many dont pay it back.

 

You understand surely that a lot of QE has been lent to the state and used for public services. Is that not "people's QE" anyway.

By George Osborne, surely not.

[Anna B]

When has this worked? Anywhere in the world? It's been tried over and over and all it brings is death and hardship.

 

You understand surely that a lot of QE has been lent to the state and used for public services. Is that not "people's QE" anyway.

 

Hey. You know that alternative economic model. The one that's always failed before. Always seems to involve brutal dictatorship. Makes everybody poor and all that. Let's try it again!

 

It might never have been tried before, but then this set of circumstances has never arisen before.

 

The world has problems that are unique to this century, (global warming, environmental issues, the banking crisis, the mass migration,) and it is all adding up to a perfect storm. And having absolute poverty in the 21st century is quite simply obscene.

 

We've also had the rise of the Arab Spring, the 'left wing' Corbyn and the rise of Trump - all indicating the rising levels of anger in the general populations. Demonstrations are now commonplace although they are being kept out of the mainstream news, and replaced with propaganda - another brand new British phenomenon. And many Russians are so disillusioned with the rise of the Oligarchs etc, they are calling for the return of Communism, when at least they were all fed and housed, and had access to higher education, healthcare and welfare.

 

I have news for some people, - the debt is never going to be paid off, it is a mathematical impossibility. The cuts are here to stay, and will only get worse. The 'alternative economic model' doesn't have to be Communism, or anything else that's been tried before. There are plenty of other other ways.

 

Meanwhile the super rich prepare for the coming storm with their underground bunkers.

[unbeliever]

It might never have been tried before, but then this set of circumstances has never arisen before.

 

The world has problems that are unique to this century, (global warming, environmental issues, the banking crisis, the mass migration,) and it is all adding up to a perfect storm. And having absolute poverty in the 21st century is quite simply obscene.

 

We've also had the rise of the Arab Spring, the 'left wing' Corbyn and the rise of Trump - all indicating the rising levels of anger in the general populations. Demonstrations are now commonplace although they are being kept out of the mainstream news, and replaced with propaganda - another brand new British phenomenon. And many Russians are so disillusioned with the rise of the Oligarchs etc, they are calling for the return of Communism, when at least they were all fed and housed, and had access to higher education, healthcare and welfare.

 

I have news for some people, - the debt is never going to be paid off, it is a mathematical impossibility. The cuts are here to stay, and will only get worse. The 'alternative economic model' doesn't have to be Communism, or anything else that's been tried before. There are plenty of other other ways.

 

Meanwhile the super rich prepare for the coming storm with their underground bunkers.

 

I'm sorry, but that's all rubbish.

Most of your statements of fact are false, your conclusions are largely disconnected from the issues you identify and that last bit sounds extremely paranoid.

[Eric Arthur]

And having absolute poverty in the 21st century is quite simply obscene.

It would be in the UK, but you're in the world's richest 1%. As a teacher you're probably in the world's richest quarter percent.

 

Look to yourself for obscenities first maybe?

[tinfoilhat]

The state pension retirement age of 65 was introduced in 1925 when the average life expectancy was 63.

 

In 2016 the average life expectancy is 83 and retirement pension age is 67.

 

You've never had it so good.

 

Not everyone between the age of 67 and 83 are good health. 1 in 3 over the age of 80 will have a form of dementia. In 1925 your first good heart attack and its all over.

[El Cid]

Not everyone between the age of 67 and 83 are good health. 1 in 3 over the age of 80 will have a form of dementia. In 1925 your first good heart attack and its all over.

 

I am of the opinion that work is good for you, at any age, its just a matter of finding the correct work.

[tinfoilhat]

I am of the opinion that work is good for you, at any age, its just a matter of finding the correct work.

 

Then your opinion isn't based on fact. If dementia comes knocking you're buggered. You could be a peer of the realm or a plumber.

[El Cid]

Then your opinion isn't based on fact. If dementia comes knocking you're buggered. You could be a peer of the realm or a plumber.

 

If a health condition stops u working, then its time to knock on the door of the NHS. The provision at the moment seems rather poor, people should be supported, choose to work.

[tinfoilhat]

If a health condition stops u working, then its time to knock on the door of the NHS. The provision at the moment seems rather poor, people should be supported, choose to work.

 

Provision seems poor?!?!? We're keeping more people alive than ever before!

[Anna B]

It would be in the UK, but you're in the world's richest 1%. As a teacher you're probably in the world's richest quarter percent.

 

Look to yourself for obscenities first maybe?

 

So you think that absolute poverty in the UK is obscene, but as long as it's not here it's OK?

Well pardon me, but I think absolute poverty is obscene anywhere on the planet in the 21st century. What makes you think they deserve it, but we do not?

It's the same with starvation. There's enough food to go round everybody, but we waste it and good food that's never seen a table gets pulped into the ground. We get fat but half the world starves? Does that seem fair to you?

 

Money is exactly the same. Sure more equality might mean we might not be as well off, but we have way too much stuff anyway, and it's people that make each other happy, not things. And don't give me that 'if all the money in the world was shared out equally, we'd be back where we are now in a month 'cos some people would squander it' ....etc etc etc... That's not true, because nobody ever said it should be shared out by giving everyone equal amounts of cash to spend. It has to be directed through people who know how to spend it locally to the best effect, to raise everybody's standard. That's how they've managed to reduce absolute poverty by half.

 

It's an unfortunate feature of people with power, (from city councillors to despots in banana republics,) that they seem to think it's their right to cream money off the top for everything from their own little projects, in which the small man has no say, to downright corruption.

 

Corruption is becoming a significant feature across the globe and it's really p**s**g people off.

 

Anyway to get back on track, we are coming up to a perfect storm and the root of the problem on all fronts is money, either lack of it, or pure greed. So how do you think we solve that?

Edited March 2, 2016 by Anna B