No pension till mid 70-s

[Anna B]

Most employees in that role are female, 95%; and females tend to be shorter so less sturdy.

 

Fine, I was just curious.

[taxman]

Fred Goodwin retired aged 50 and drew an annual pension of £703,000.

 

Meanwhile the plebs have to slave away into their 70's for a pittance.

 

I'm sure all our glorious leaders will not have to slave away into their 70's either.

 

If they want to continue to feather their nests then that's fine, but why should hard working people continue to drudge themselves to death before the govt pay them back what they are due?

 

Imagine being a cleaner, care assistant or labourer and being told there's no pension for you and you'll have to work at your NMW wage into your old age. After all those years of hard and back breaking work the govt is probably hoping they keel over and die before they can claim their pension.

[WiseOwl182]

Fred Goodwin retired aged 50 and drew an annual pension of £703,000.

 

Meanwhile the plebs have to slave away into their 70's for a pittance.

 

I'm sure all our glorious leaders will not have to slave away into their 70's either.

 

If they want to continue to feather their nests then that's fine, but why should hard working people continue to drudge themselves to death before the govt pay them back what they are due?

 

Imagine being a cleaner, care assistant or labourer and being told there's no pension for you and you'll have to work at your NMW wage into your old age. After all those years of hard and back breaking work the govt is probably hoping they keel over and die before they can claim their pension.

 

Fred Goodwin probably put in 14 hour days and barely saw his family for most of his career. There will always be top management on big money, but why not pick on other targets, such as Premier League footballers? £703,000 is about a month's salary to a lot of them, and their hard work is training a few hours a day and playing a couple of 90 minute football games a week. As for their out of work activities... Yet people revere them and pick on the bankers instead.

[petemcewan]

Taxman

Spot on . Today, on World At One , a pundit was predicting a world in which retirement is a thing of the past for most working people -because we are "all living longer". There are many people working long hours and getting in return a low wage . It's unbelievable that anyone can defend Fred Godwin. In today's society the gap between rich and poor has grown enormously.Now the plan is to make people work into their decrepitude .

Edited March 3, 2016 by petemcewan

[WiseOwl182]

It's unbelievable that anyone can defend Fred Godwin. In today's society the gap between rich and poor has grown enormously.

 

So why not have a go at, say, Wayne Rooney? Or is it because he's a 'working class hero'? Someone like Fred Goodwin will have put in a lot more hours, a lot more study and earned a lot less money, than someone like Wayne Rooney. And I'm not "defending" either.

[ECCOnoob]

Fred Goodwin retired aged 50 and drew an annual pension of £703,000.

 

Meanwhile the plebs have to slave away into their 70's for a pittance.

 

I'm sure all our glorious leaders will not have to slave away into their 70's either.

 

If they want to continue to feather their nests then that's fine, but why should hard working people continue to drudge themselves to death before the govt pay them back what they are due?

 

Imagine being a cleaner, care assistant or labourer and being told there's no pension for you and you'll have to work at your NMW wage into your old age. After all those years of hard and back breaking work the govt is probably hoping they keel over and die before they can claim their pension.

 

I am not defending the man by any means. BUT, can we just have a reality check.

 

Whether you like him or not, Fred Goodwin was raised in a normal family with not much in the way of priviledge. His father was a tradesman and he was he first member of his family to go to university.

 

He left his grammar school, studied at university, qualified as a chartered accountant, worked his way up to partner level before eventually becoming a company director after around 10 years. He then kept on working his way up through various firms until he finally reached his now infamous role as CEO of the Royal Bank of Scotland.

 

Like him or not. He studied, he qualified, he worked his way up the ladder and became what he did.

 

Some NMW cleaner or labourer leaves school and becomes a cleaner or labourer.

 

If those people CHOOSE to stay that all of their working lives, then that's fine. But you cant start throwing around the ridiculous comparators with the top earners.

 

People who have ambition to be better get better.

 

Those cleaners and labourers who are allegedly being forced to carry on with back breaking work until their 70s would have had ample opportunity to change roles before the work becomes too much. Im not even talking about being office based management. If somebody is a cleaner and cannot handle the manual work anymore - why cant they transfer to some other sort of NMW which is less taxing. Call handler, receptionist, shop assistant, crossing patrol, driver.....

 

Those who are MEDICALLY unfit to work for whatever reasons will get the same medical retirement and support as they do now.

 

Its all just too much excuse making. FACTS are clear. We are living longer. The population is growing. People need to start taking some responsibility for themselves.

Edited March 3, 2016 by ECCOnoob

[taxman]

I am not defending the man by any means. BUT, can we just have a reality check.

 

Whether you like him or not, Fred Goodwin was raised in a normal family with not much in the way of priviledge. His father was a tradesman and he was he first member of his family to go to university.

 

He left his grammar school, studied at university, qualified as a chartered accountant, worked his way up to partner level before eventually becoming a company director after around 10 years. He then kept on working his way up through various firms until he finally reached his now infamous role as CEO of the Royal Bank of Scotland.

 

Like him or not. He studied, he qualified, he worked his way up the ladder and became what he did.

 

 

Someone who bankrupted the country then walked away with millions. He was a massive failure but still got paid off.

 

 

The archetypal example of someone who got paid **** loads of money for being a massive failure.

[WiseOwl182]

 

The archetypal example of someone who got paid **** loads of money for being a massive failure.

 

So a bit like Wayne Rooney every time he fails to deliver for England at every major competition then.

[ECCOnoob]

Someone who bankrupted the country then walked away with millions. He was a massive failure but still got paid off.

 

 

The archetypal example of someone who got paid **** loads of money for being a massive failure.

 

10/10 for missing the point.

 

Oh, for the record HE did not bankrupt the country. He was just one of the figureheads out of dozens of others of one of the MANY organisations in MANY countries around the world which failed and resulted in the global crisis.

 

The media made him the face of it all. The media choose him to be the panto villain. Its was far from that black and white.

 

Academic of the above, I am not defending him. I am just using his background as an example of the massive differences in education, study, career and (dare I say it) efforts between someone who spends their life working as a cleaner and the head of a big organisation.

 

To seriously try and compare let alone mirror their remittances as some sort of injustice is just ludicrous.

[taxman]

Everyone deserves or needs a pension.....some will have to work into their 70's or 80's for a few thousands a year. Others will be able to retire at 50 and get millions a year.

 

Anyone who thinks this is right would probably vote for Donald Trump.

 

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So a bit like Wayne Rooney every time he fails to deliver for England at every major competition then.

 

Wayne Rooney isn't paid from the public purse

 

The banks were...keep up