PeteMorris   10 #145 Posted March 2, 2016 I don't think blame is all that relevant. What do you think you could have done differently, or better next time, that would minimise the risk to other road users?  Let him go his own merry way!..(Just as I did this morning!)...And or stop while he did whatever he was doing...Oh, maybe not stop, cos that would have caused a problem with traffic behind me!. He may have looked back, but he certainly wasn't checking for traffic behind him, he was looking at the fallen cyclist.  ---------- Post added 02-03-2016 at 11:51 ----------  That is certainly not the case as I have said many many many many many many times on this thread, some of them in replies to you, that if the cyclist intended to move across without checking what was happening behind him, he made a major error.  Ah...ok...Please accept my apologies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
milquetoast1 Â Â 10 #146 Posted March 2, 2016 Your video is a classic example as to why it is expected that drivers to drive to the highway code, and give the same amount of room to over take cyclists as they would a car so if the cyclist does wobble it shouldn't cost them their life. If you cannot give the cyclist the space, then wait behind them until you can. Â ^ This, basically. Â I fail to understand why the discussion needs to analyse it any further than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Eric Arthur   10 #147 Posted March 2, 2016 Or do you think I should drive on the opposite side of the road towards oncoming traffic to pass a cyclist?  Yes. That is exactly what the Highway Code tells you to do. It also tells you to wait until it is safe to drive on the opposite side of the road to overtake the cyclist.  Come on Pete, you've had it. Take it like a man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
PeteMorris   10 #148 Posted March 2, 2016 ^ This, basically. I fail to understand why the discussion needs to analyse it any further than that.  Probably because you are not the one being vilified!  ---------- Post added 02-03-2016 at 11:55 ----------  Yes. That is exactly what the Highway Code tells you to do. It also tells you to wait until it is safe to drive on the opposite side of the road to overtake the cyclist. Come on Pete, you've had it. Take it like a man.  So the highway code only applies to motorists?..That's effectively what you're saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #149 Posted March 2, 2016 Probably because you are not the one being vilified!  You made a mistake. Just learn from it and try not to kill anyone in the future...  We all make mistakes sometimes, as drivers, as cyclists as pedestrians.  I stepped out nearly in front of a car once, I had a cold, I wasn't concentrating. Totally my fault. If it was on video I wouldn't be arguing that the car was in the wrong. I'm just lucky he was concentrating.  ---------- Post added 02-03-2016 at 11:57 ----------   So the highway code only applies to motorists?..That's effectively what you're saying.  No... Nobody has said that.  You're trying to justify your bad driving by pointing at the cyclist and going "but he did it first".  ---------- Post added 02-03-2016 at 11:58 ----------  That is certainly not the case as I have said many many many many many many times on this thread, some of them in replies to you, that if the cyclist intended to move across without checking what was happening behind him, he made a major error.  He'd have been safer if he'd been in the primary position in the first place, because Pete would have already have had to slow down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
JFKvsNixon   11 #150 Posted March 2, 2016 He'd have been safer if he'd been in the primary position in the first place, because Pete would have already have had to slow down.  Very true, although I still get irate motorists trying their best to sneak past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #151 Posted March 2, 2016 I was beeped at when taking the primary position here  https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3957731,-1.4893676,3a,75y,214.53h,76.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-ojP6R8K9LqwI7to0XEiJw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656  So I stopped and got off to ask what the problem was.  They suddenly lost interest in explaining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
biotechpete   10 #152 Posted March 2, 2016 I was beeped at when taking the primary position here https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3957731,-1.4893676,3a,75y,214.53h,76.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-ojP6R8K9LqwI7to0XEiJw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656  So I stopped and got off to ask what the problem was.  They suddenly lost interest in explaining.  I might try that next time. I have it every time I ride here, even though I can hear the traffic coming in the opposite direction which the car behind can't. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.395414,-2.0990073,3a,75y,336.99h,70.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soylLBqxOMWq53fOEl6OfEg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
milquetoast1 Â Â 10 #153 Posted March 2, 2016 Probably because you are not the one being vilified! Â Too much emotion. Â We all make errors when driving, but too many people refuse to accept that they do. Don't be one of those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #154 Posted March 2, 2016 I might try that next time. I have it every time I ride here, even though I can hear the traffic coming in the opposite direction which the car behind can't. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.395414,-2.0990073,3a,75y,336.99h,70.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soylLBqxOMWq53fOEl6OfEg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en  I guess you need to be prepared to back it up.  I was already pretty annoyed by someone cutting me up earlier. TBH it's not helpful to be confrontational, I shouldn't have done it. But we're not perfect are we! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
TimmyR Â Â 10 #155 Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) So if a vehicle is emerging (or waiting to emerge) from a side road on your left, you'd also move to the opposite side of the road, just in case he's not noticed you, or if his foot slips off the clutch? Â Yes I move out (not to the opposite side of the road but out) because there have been so many times when cars have not seen me and pulled out - that bit of distance gives me and the driver a few extra seconds to react and avoid collision. You'd be amazed how often this happens. I don't blame drivers for not seeing me I am relatively small compared to a car so am less visible but cyclists have to take precautionary measures at times to avoid being hit. In the case of a car pulling on I always move out, its a self preservation tactic. Â Please just give cyclists a bit room and some consideration that's all I ask. Â You were in the wrong in your video, its as simple as that. You were attempting to overtake, leaving no room for error. Error on the cyclists part happened (in which I'm saying it wasn't just your fault) and you were left having to perform an emergency stop. Â Like Cyclone says we all make mistakes - I once, on my bike, pulled out in front of another cyclist because I didn't see him. He had to basically dive out the way to avoid me. I was wrong, I didn't look carefully enough, it was dark and so on. Edited March 2, 2016 by TimmyR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
PeteMorris   10 #156 Posted March 2, 2016 Yes I move out (not to the opposite side of the road but out) because there have been so many times when cars pulling have not seen me and pulled out - that bit of distance gives me and the driver a few extra seconds to react and avoid collision. You'd be amazed how often this happens. Please just give cyclists a bit room and some consideration that's all I ask.  Yes I do this routinely too...Same applies if I'm waiting to turn left into a main road and someone is actually indicating and seemingly wants to turn into the road I'm emerging from...I wait until they've committed themselves in the turn before I assume that because they're indicating that they actually will.  I'm afraid after this thread I'll just 'have' to assume every cyclist is going to do something completely random and act accordingly.  I assume you're a cyclist? Is there a legitimate reason why (certain) cyclists will ride 3 abreast. It's just that I saw this the other day. Fortunately going in the opposite direction to me. But they had a hell of a tailback and seemed oblivious to it. I'm just wondering what the justification might be! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...