qazitory   10 #145 Posted March 17, 2004 Originally posted by Sidla I don't see how this is racism. How do you know the motivation behind it was because of your skin colour? Are you sure the teachers were not trying to communicate better with other pupils whos English wasn't so good?  Er no, the teacher was doing it on purpose!! Even the people in the class who could understand him told him off!! Yeah if someone didn't understand something because of the language, he would explain to them in private.  Yeah it is racism as he KNEW we couldn't speak that language, and he could.  But the point I was trying to make is that yeah kids will be kids, but its not just kids. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Sidla   10 #146 Posted March 17, 2004 Why didn't you report it as racial discrimination then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
qazitory   10 #147 Posted March 17, 2004 Because the other teachers didn't want to know, as it was a failing school already. They didn't want complaints from the students about the teachers, as it would make the situation worse. The inspectors were just putting all the blame on the pupils, where it wasn't! In the end we just changed lessons to solve arguing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Sidla   10 #148 Posted March 17, 2004 Originally posted by qazitory Because the other teachers didn't want to know, as it was a failing school already. They didn't want complaints from the students about the teachers, as it would make the situation worse. The inspectors were just putting all the blame on the pupils, where it wasn't! In the end we just changed lessons to solve arguing. Then go to the police? The situation's not likely to get any better if problems like this go unreported. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
MichaelTravis   10 #149 Posted March 17, 2004 Originally posted by Zamo I don't agree that the test of whether a statement is racist or not is the amount of offence it causes. Let's apply your analogy...  A skinhead runs into a crowded Mosque and shouts "You Pak1 b*stards". He is but one person against many and, as it happens, there was nobody of Pakistani origin there. Therefore, according to you, his comment and actions are not racist. Umm?!?  It wasn't supposed to be a direct analogy to racism, it was an exercise in empathy.  Insults carry more weight when the insulted person is in the minority. I agree with Sidla more or less, because, living in England, someone calling me a "white *******" simply wouldn't offend me racially (although I obviously would prefer not to be insulted full stop).  I can accept that it might be different for a white person living in a totally black area and being called a "white *******", but even then it's not the same as the reverse. There has never been a culture in this country of white people being systematically put down, disadvantaged and abused because of the colour of their skin. Therefore how could a racial insult have the same resonance for a white person as for a black person?  I can't really argue with the point of view of most of you that an insult regarding the colour of a person's skin is always racist whether black, white or whatever, but I think that is being wilfully simplistic.  You have to imagine how people are actually made to feel by this kind of racist behaviour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
qazitory   10 #150 Posted March 17, 2004 We just ignored him in the end lol I know he left in the end though, not sure why.  But with regards to the other pupils shouting insults at me and my friends, does that seems racist to you? Coz it does/did to me. We were singled out because we had different coloured skin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Fletch   10 #151 Posted March 17, 2004 i think the third post is totally true  it all depends on how you express your feelings, whether you keep them to yourself or express them to others.  you could be the most racist person in the world, but keep your comments to yourself and yet you could only be racist around others you know are racist. or you could be totally not racist but only act it when around other racists.  it all depends on who you are with and in what state of mind you are in! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
t020 Â Â 11 #152 Posted March 18, 2004 Originally posted by Sidla I don't see why you think that. How can you be offended by the colour of your skin if you're white? Â By saying this, you are implying that being white is superior and therefore can never be an insult and will always be some kind of compliment. THAT is the racist attitude. You've lost the plot on this one sidla, well and truly. Â Furthermore, you're saying a black person should be offended because of the colour of their skin, as though being black in itself is an insult. THIS is a racist attitude. Â Your argument is very muddled, sidla. You keep changing what you say from "ethnic minorities can never be racist" to "ethnic minorities commit racist offences less" to "ethnic minorities can sometimes be racist but whites will always be racist" etc etc. It isn't surprising that you're so deluded with this topic, really. As Tony (I think it was him anyway) points out, you have become so 'unracist' you have gone full circle and become racist - insinuating that being black is an insult and being white is a compliment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tony   10 #153 Posted March 18, 2004 Originally posted by t020 you have become so 'unracist' you have gone full circle and become racist  I think that pretty much sums it up Irony isn't dead! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Zamo   10 #154 Posted March 18, 2004 Originally posted by MichaelTravis I can accept that it might be different for a white person living in a totally black area and being called a "white *******", but even then it's not the same as the reverse. There has never been a culture in this country of white people being systematically put down, disadvantaged and abused because of the colour of their skin. Therefore how could a racial insult have the same resonance for a white person as for a black person? So it's OK to be racially abusive to white people because there hasn't been a "history" of it? This doesn't make sense!  Either it is wrong to racially abuse people or it isn't. Isn't it?!?  MT, you clearly don't like so answer me this. Do you think it helps to build better race relations and create more tolerance if you tell white people that it is wrong to racially abuse others but it is OK (or less important) if others racially abuse them? Do you think this serves to quell or stir the racist beast within? Think about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
SusieP   10 #155 Posted March 18, 2004 Originally posted by Fletch i think the third post is totally true  it all depends on how you express your feelings, whether you keep them to yourself or express them to others.  you could be the most racist person in the world, but keep your comments to yourself and yet you could only be racist around others you know are racist. or you could be totally not racist but only act it when around other racists.  it all depends on who you are with and in what state of mind you are in!  That's ridiculous. A person with racist thoughts who doesn't express them is still a racist. If they are in charge of hiring people, they may still be racist in their hiring decision. Keeping something in your head doesn't change anything with regard to your actions!  Sue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Belle   10 #156 Posted March 18, 2004 Originally posted by steelblade The people who racially abused me were fully grown men.  The people in the pub were fully grown men and women.  You sure it was racist abuse and not just general "Can't stand her" type of abuse? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...