Is History about to repeat itself?

[999tigger]

I believe that the Nazis were the culmination of hundreds of years of antisemitism right across Europe, added to the then recent upheaval of most of Europe's social foundation, with the fall of the monarchies and the trauma of WW1, and background of the great depression included for good measure.

 

The 1930s in Europe was the "perfect storm" inside which political extremism flourished. If it wasn't the Nazis, it would have been the communists or some other extremist organisation that led us down the road to the eventual barbarous conflict.

 

Much more the latter points of the Treaty of Versailles and the economic depression that followed. They made the conditions possible for the Nazis to come to power.

[Guest]

The British Army have killed far more people than Islamic State. Perhaps we are the bad ones?

 

Are you going to be really principled and leave Britain and go and live in a non military interventionist country or maybe go and live somewhere in the Arab world?

[JFKvsNixon]

Well...As we know, there's a huge influx of people heading into Europe (which doesn't seem to be slowing at all), who's culture is completely at odds with the 'modern west'. Whichever way you look at it, that's going to lead to conflict, and already has (New years eve in Cologne). We know that terrorists 'have' and probably continue to swan back and forth between the Arab states and Europe (Paris bombers)....So your statement about:

 

 

 

Seems to be a similar pattern...I know, it's not exactly the same...But there's a pattern.

 

It's ironic that in the 1930s the Jews were highly integrated within German society, with one of the highest rates of marrying outside of their faith. Maybe this was what threatened the nationalists so much?

 

Of course the refugee problem is a huge hurdle for Europe to face, I see it as being a problem between the haves and the have nots. The population of Europe's neighbours see our security and our prosperity and they not unreasonably think we want a bit of that. Obviously it's not the solution to allow them all to come here.

 

So the solution has to involve sorting the problem out at source and unfortunately I'm not sure that building a big wall to keep everyone out will work.

 

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Much more the latter points of the Treaty of Versailles and the economic depression that followed. They made the conditions possible for the Nazis to come to power.

 

They're that obvious causes but I think that the real reason ran far deeper.

 

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I agree. My point was that this perfect storm is brewing afresh. Europe is not down with 2008, far from it.

 

This is where I disagree, I think that our levels of prosperity are too big for extremism to take over.

[Berberis]

The British Army have killed far more people than Islamic State. Perhaps we are the bad ones?

 

Have they? In what context? What time frame are you using and where are you getting your numbers from?

[PeteMorris]

It's ironic that in the 1930s the Jews were highly integrated within German society, with one of the highest rates of marrying outside of their faith. Maybe this was what threatened the nationalists so much?

 

Of course the refugee problem is a huge hurdle for Europe to face, I see it as being a problem between the haves and the have nots. The population of Europe's neighbours see our security and our prosperity and they not unreasonably think we want a bit of that. Obviously it's not the solution to allow them all to come here.

 

So the solution has to involve sorting the problem out at source and unfortunately I'm not sure that building a big wall to keep everyone out will work.

 

 

Well....the 'solution' (if there is one), isn't to allow free entry into anywhere they please. So although 'walls' are not the solution, at least it might slow the flow somewhat. Europe, as it stands is a powder keg waiting to explode.

 

Yes it's probably going to be, the haves and have nots that are going to be at odds. The muslims will simply become the new Jews. Especially if they get preferential treatment, which also seems to be happening.

[JFKvsNixon]

Well....the 'solution' (if there is one), isn't to allow free entry into anywhere they please. So although 'walls' are not the solution, at least it might slow the flow somewhat. Europe, as it stands is a powder keg waiting to explode.

 

Yes it's probably going to be, the haves and have nots that are going to be at odds. The muslims will simply become the new Jews. Especially if they get preferential treatment, which also seems to be happening.

 

I'm not sure that free movement from outside Europe doesn't exist, currently the journey does seem to be very costly for a lot of the individuals making it. As I said obviously it's not the solution to allow them all to come here, but also I'm not sure that slowing the flow will do much apart from encouraging the flow to find another way.

 

How do Muslims get preferential treatment?

Edited January 26, 2016 by JFKvsNixon

[runningman1]

Are you going to be really principled and leave Britain and go and live in a non military interventionist country or maybe go and live somewhere in the Arab world?

 

No, I would rather be the bad one than the one having bad done to me.

[PeteMorris]

I'm not sure that free movement from outside Europe doesn't exist, currently the journey does seem to be very costly for a lot of the individuals making it.

 

How do Muslims get preferential treatment?

 

Ummm...Once they get wherever they are going, they get fed and housed...Are there no indigenous people in Europe hungry and homeless? Including here in the UK. I'd say that was pretty preferential.

[Alan Ladd]

There is only one thing you need to know about Deash or ISIS or whatever they are called and that is how to kill them. Bomb them back into the stone age, then kill their goat.

[JFKvsNixon]

Ummm...Once they get wherever they are going, they get fed and housed...Are there no indigenous people in Europe hungry and homeless? Including here in the UK. I'd say that was pretty preferential.

 

I'm sure that that's down to their refugee status rather than them being Muslim, also they're not allowed to work when they get here, so how are they meant to house and feed themselves?

 

I'm not sure that you can describe that as preferential treatment.