Is History about to repeat itself?

[Berberis 10]

After hearing about more destruction of world heritage sites by Daesh attempting to wipe our history in favour of their own, it dawned on me how similar this whole situation is/was to the rise of the Nazi's in Germany.

 

We are told that Daesh does not represent a majority of Muslims. Nazi's did not represent a majority of Germans either. If Germany had countered the rise of the Nazi party, the world history would be much different to what we have today. Germans would not have suffered for years after Hitlers death too.

 

We have today, politicians such as the Labour leader openly talking about discussions with Daesh to find a peaceful solution. This is what happened prior to WWII with Germany. We see Daesh trying to erase the history of the areas they control. The Nazis did the exact same thing. Dissent is met with death, both in the time of the Nazi's and now by Daesh.

 

What history has taught us is, if you allow groups like the nazi's or daesh to grow, they eventually pose a massive threat to everyone, but those whom they came from, suffer the most in the long run.

Edited January 26, 2016 by Berberis

[PeteMorris 10]

After hearing about more destruction of world heritage sites by Daesh attempting to wipe our history in favour of their own, it dawned on me how similar this whole situation is/was to the rise of the Nazi's in Germany.

 

We are told that Daesh does not represent a majority of Muslims. Nazi's did not represent a majority of Germans either. If Germany had countered the rise of the Nazi party, the world history would be much different to what we have today. Germans would not have suffered for years after Hitlers death too.

 

We have today, politicians such as the Labour leader openly talking about discussions with Daesh to find a peaceful solution. This is what happened prior to WWII with Germany. We see Daesh trying to erase the history of the areas they control. The Nazis did the exact same thing. Descent is met with death, both in the time of the Nazi's and now by Daesh.

 

What history has taught us is, if you allow groups like the nazi's or daesh to grow, they eventually pose a massive threat to everyone, but those whom they came from, suffer the most in the long run.

 

Indeed...there are many parallels, and it's all a bit (no a lot) scary.

 

However with this thread you'll be accused of Godwin's law in reverse...

[unbeliever 10]

Yes. History is repeating itself. One murderous fanatic is much the same as another. Appeasement will fail. Daesh will grow in strength until they become an existential threat to the rest of the world and only then will action be taken. Millions will die.

 

Stand by for a barrage of criticism for daring to discuss the subject either on the grounds that it's already been discussed or that you're secretly just after having a go at Muslims in general.

[runningman1 12]

The British Army have killed far more people than Islamic State. Perhaps we are the bad ones?

[PeteMorris 10]

Yes. History is repeating itself. One murderous fanatic is much the same as another. Appeasement will fail. Daesh will grow in strength until they become an existential threat to the rest of the world and only then will action be taken. Millions will die.

 

Stand by for a barrage of criticism for daring to discuss the subject either on the grounds that it's already been discussed or that you're secretly just after having a go at Muslims in general.

 

No, it's about drawing parallels between the growth of Nazi's and the similar actions of Daesh... AND...Learning from history!

[Eric Arthur 10]

Appeasement will fail.

 

Appeasement has already failed.

 

The attempts at installing democracy in the region hasn't given everyone a go at being modern and civilised, it's just been another way for religious and tribal splits to continue but without a cruel dictator to keep it in check. There is a cultural gap which will take more than a bit of western style voting to overcome.

[JFKvsNixon 11]

After hearing about more destruction of world heritage sites by Daesh attempting to wipe our history in favour of their own, it dawned on me how similar this whole situation is/was to the rise of the Nazi's in Germany.

 

We are told that Daesh does not represent a majority of Muslims. Nazi's did not represent a majority of Germans either. If Germany had countered the rise of the Nazi party, the world history would be much different to what we have today. Germans would not have suffered for years after Hitlers death too.

 

We have today, politicians such as the Labour leader openly talking about discussions with Daesh to find a peaceful solution. This is what happened prior to WWII with Germany. We see Daesh trying to erase the history of the areas they control. The Nazis did the exact same thing. Descent is met with death, both in the time of the Nazi's and now by Daesh.

 

What history has taught us is, if you allow groups like the nazi's or daesh to grow, they eventually pose a massive threat to everyone, but those whom they came from, suffer the most in the long run.

 

I agree that ISIS are a fascist organisation, but I don't see them as ever being a major threat to the future of the West like Germany was.

 

I've said this many times. Their movement is a reactionary one fighting a losing battle against the power of our consumerist lifestyle, which is seducing more and more their followers and draining their power. It seems that eventually consumerism will conquer all.

 

The Nazis came to power in a time of political extremism right across Europe, so there were huge sections of the European population that were already radicalised one way or another. Conflict was inevitable.

 

Also the Nazis had built upon the foundations of hundreds of years of ignorance and prejudice, there were regular pogroms across Europe where it seemed that people were free to carry out wonton acts of violence against anything perceived to be Jewish. I just don't see the same conditions that'll lead to the same levels of extremism nowadays in the industrialised countries.

 

I think that the big threats on the horizon for the West are Russia and China as they've both got the capability to destroy us without very little warning and both countries could be one major economic crash away from an extreme nationalistic government.

[L00b 441]

The British Army have killed far more people than Islamic State. Perhaps we are the bad ones?

It already had when Hitler was still only a mere no-name corporal in WW1 trenches

 

Agree with unbeliever's post. The West is doing nothing more than the hot-cold shower treatment of strong words and token action mitigated by apathy and appeasement, same as the late 30s to May 40 period.

 

Like all nation bullies since time immemorial, Daesh grow and rule only by force. Until enough force is visited upon them, they ain't going anywhere.

I just don't see the same conditions that'll lead to the same levels of extremism nowadays in the industrialised countries.

They're rising again. In Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Hungary, France, Greece, Italy, Belgium <...>. Fast.

 

Just don't look at mass media reporting à la BBC or broadsheets, seek out independent news, blogs, footage by individuals here, there and everywhere and form a mental picture of the whole (just making the point, as I'm quietly confident you already do, at least to an extent).

 

And there will be ever less of a difference made between indigenous and freshly-arrived Muslim populations, who will be this century's Jews in the said industrialised nations.

 

Heard about the torching of migrant refuges in Sweden (now a weekly event at the most infrequent)? 'Pogroms' in all but name against asylum seekers in Eastern Germany? Remember Golden Dawn (it's not gone away, far from it)? Checked the so-fast-it's-drifting lurch to the 'righter right' across the EU manifested across most large-scale elections in the past 6 months, Poland and France ahead? The growing furore in Kerry at asylum seekers being fast tracked into social housing in front of 3,000 waiting natives all still in emergency accommodation?

 

They're just the clearest manifestations of a groundswell of public opinion (in particular, that of the voluminous 'lower social order' that is paying most of the price of recent admissions) in the said industrialised nations. There's thousands more isolated events occurring every week that we never hear about but which, collated, amount to a very frightening picture.

 

Why do you think the EU Interior ministers finally managed to (try and-) get their collective thumbs out of their a55es this morning, only 6 months after Mutti Merkel's invite?

Edited January 26, 2016 by L00b

[max 13]

The British Army have killed far more people than Islamic State. Perhaps we are the bad ones?

 

We are definitely not

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[PeteMorris 10]

I agree that ISIS are a fascist organisation, but I don't see them as ever being a major threat to the future of the West like Germany was.

 

I've said this many times. Their movement is a reactionary one fighting a losing battle against the power of our consumerist lifestyle, which is seducing more and more their followers and draining their power. It seems that eventually consumerism will conquer all.

 

The Nazis came to power in a time of political extremism right across Europe, so there were huge sections of the European population that were already radicalised one way or another. Conflict was inevitable.

 

Also the Nazis had built upon the foundations of hundreds of years of ignorance and prejudice, there were regular pogroms across Europe where it seemed that people were free to carry out wonton acts of violence against anything perceived to be Jewish. I just don't see the same conditions that'll lead to the same levels of extremism nowadays in the industrialised countries.

 

I think that the big threats on the horizon for the West are Russia and China as they've both got the capability to destroy us without very little warning and both countries could be one major economic crash away from an extreme nationalistic government.

 

But isn't that a description of the huge migrant influx heading into Europe now?

[JFKvsNixon 11]

But isn't that a description of the huge migrant influx heading into Europe now?

 

Explain????

[999tigger 10]

Yes. History is repeating itself. One murderous fanatic is much the same as another. Appeasement will fail. Daesh will grow in strength until they become an existential threat to the rest of the world and only then will action be taken. Millions will die.

 

Stand by for a barrage of criticism for daring to discuss the subject either on the grounds that it's already been discussed or that you're secretly just after having a go at Muslims in general.

 

I wondered what you would say unbeliever and agree with you on the History repeating itself.

 

Its not unique at all. the silimilarities with the Nazis is that they are a violent group wanting to gain further ends through violence. That puts them on a par with every other group that decides it wants to use force to meet its aims.

 

The idea that knocking down a few temples or a bit of cultutal vandalism makes them unique is poor. All winners in conflicts rewrite history to some degree.

 

The Russians, the Chinese, Japanese etc am sure everyone does it. Rewriting history you would need to look at the Khmer Rouge and Year zero or Stalin.

 

IS is still tiny when compared to Germany. they arent a fully functioning country/state.

 

The Corbyn point is a complete red herring as he isnt in power and is never likely to get into power. Completely different from Chamberlain and the rest of Europe appeasing the Nazis.

 

Nobody is appeasing IS, to the extent we can politically do so, then we are trying to put a stop to it.