Before voting for Labour again, Visit Cuba

[Cyclone 10]

I have just returned from the socialist paradise of Cuba. 5 million people living on an island 3/4s the size of the UK yet whose agriculture is so undeveloped it has to import most of its food.

 

A doctor to every 150 people. Doctors who earn one 10th of what a taxi driver earns. Transport out of Havana is medieval. Largely horse and cart.

 

If this is what 50 years of socialism has given these poor sods, make sure you vote Tory at every opportunity.

 

You're criticising that they have lots of doctors and are extremely healthy?

[L00b 441]

You're criticising that they have lots of doctors and are extremely healthy?

I read it as criticism of their ecological, renewables-based, oil barrel price-proof transportation system

 

 

[ricgem2002 11]

it will be a pity to see what Obama and raul castro have in store for the Cubans now they are talking to each other. I hope they can say "you want fries with that" when cuba will be full of kfc/mcdonalds/etc.

[truman 10]

it will be a pity to see what Obama and raul castro have in store for the Cubans now they are talking to each other. I hope they can say "you want fries with that" when cuba will be full of kfc/mcdonalds/etc.

 

Genuine question...if Cuba is a better place to live than the USA why are thousands of Cubans risking their life trying to cross to the 'states in little boats?

[Alan Ladd 10]

Nice of you to conveniently forget about 60 years worth of embargo.

Cuba was/is a communist regime, which if you read up is quite different from democratic socialists.

 

Socialism always fails.It defies nature. No matter which way you dress it up it doesnt work, Trots, Stalinists, Soc Dems, whichever model you choose, it fails.

 

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it will be a pity to see what Obama and raul castro have in store for the Cubans now they are talking to each other. I hope they can say "you want fries with that" when cuba will be full of kfc/mcdonalds/etc.

 

I would have paid a high price for a Mcdonalds or a KFC. Tepid slices of non descript "meat" accompanied by various rice concoctions, weak beer and disgusting wine, lousy service included, the worst trip ever. Thank god for capitalism.

[999tigger 10]

Socialism always fails.It defies nature. No matter which way you dress it up it doesnt work, Trots, Stalinists, Soc Dems, whichever model you choose, it fails.

 

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I would have paid a high price for a Mcdonalds or a KFC. Tepid slices of non descript "meat" accompanied by various rice concoctions, weak beer and disgusting wine, lousy service included, the worst trip ever. Thank god for capitalism.

 

Alan your problem is you cant compare like with like. You gave the example of Cuba, but you laughably ignored the fact that a 60 year embargo might have had on its economic development. This is why your thread was a fail. Scandinavian countries seem to do quite well. Perhaps the locals just spotted you and your attitude then treated you accordingly.

[truman 10]

Alan your problem is you cant compare like with like. You gave the example of Cuba, but you laughably ignored the fact that a 60 year embargo might have had on its economic development. This is why your thread was a fail. Scandinavian countries seem to do quite well. Perhaps the locals just spotted you and your attitude then treated you accordingly.

 

Jeez..have you seen the price of stuff in Scandinavia?

[Alan Ladd 10]

Alan your problem is you cant compare like with like. You gave the example of Cuba, but you laughably ignored the fact that a 60 year embargo might have had on its economic development. This is why your thread was a fail. Scandinavian countries seem to do quite well. Perhaps the locals just spotted you and your attitude then treated you accordingly.

 

Of course you can compare like with like, 70million live in UK and we could if we needed to be self sufficient. 5 million Cubans live on an island about 75% the size of UK and cant farm in an efficient enough manner to feed themselves.

 

The embargo has largely been ignored for the last 20 years to the extent that the US is actually a substantial trading partner.

 

What has Scandinavia got to do with it?

 

My thread is a raving success, I successfully point out the dangers of socialism and the positives of the capitalist system we all benefit from.

[hyper 10]

Well, they said they were virgins.

 

Sure they weren't by the time you left?

[JFKvsNixon 11]

I have just returned from the socialist paradise of Cuba. 5 million people living on an island 3/4s the size of the UK yet whose agriculture is so undeveloped it has to import most of its food.

 

A doctor to every 150 people. Doctors who earn one 10th of what a taxi driver earns. Transport out of Havana is medieval. Largely horse and cart.

 

If this is what 50 years of socialism has given these poor sods, make sure you vote Tory at every opportunity.

 

To be fair I've never voted Labour, but I'd still like to take you up on your offer.

[Jim Graham 10]

Alan your problem is you cant compare like with like. You gave the example of Cuba, but you laughably ignored the fact that a 60 year embargo might have had on its economic development. This is why your thread was a fail. Scandinavian countries seem to do quite well. Perhaps the locals just spotted you and your attitude then treated you accordingly.

 

Scandinavian countries are not remotely Socialist. It's a myth.

 

There are only 4 socialist states in the world - China, Laos, Cuba and Vietnam. North Korea claims to be a Socialist state but has been a dictatorship since 1992, which is what all Socialist states are really.

 

Oh, and the idea that Labour are Democratic Socialists is laughable. There is NOTHING democratic about Labour. Ask their supporter who was arrested under anti-terror laws for heckling Jack Straw at a party conference. Free speech my a**e.

 

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Jeez..have you seen the price of stuff in Scandinavia?

 

And 55% basic rate income tax. Sounds socialist doesn't it?

[JFKvsNixon 11]

Scandinavian countries are not remotely Socialist. It's a myth.

 

There are only 4 socialist states in the world - China, Laos, Cuba and Vietnam. North Korea claims to be a Socialist state but has been a dictatorship since 1992, which is what all Socialist states are really.

 

Oh, and the idea that Labour are Democratic Socialists is laughable. There is NOTHING democratic about Labour. Ask their supporter who was arrested under anti-terror laws for heckling Jack Straw at a party conference. Free speech my a**e.

 

I don't think that China's a socialist state anymore, I'd say it's more capitalist than we are. Nowadays in China money is king.