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5 hours ago, Magilla said:

It's an example of "a company that is allowed to make you pay them before you can use another companies services".

Its still not quite the same thing is it. How would you feel if you had to pay BT £150 in order to use Virgin Media for your internet. Would you be OK with that.

 

 

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We should all be banding together and calling for the  license to be abolished, or at the very least drastically reduced. £50 per year would kick bbc salaries in to touch.

The one  reason why the working class (of which I'm part of) rarely win  the establishment , is because they fight & argue amongst themselves. Divide and conquer almost every time.

The significance of the poll tax  victory was that the majority of the UK population were affected by it, and they created strength by sticking together. The government of the time backed down.

Most  of the UK population  are probably affected by this out of date tax. It is a just and ideal oportinity to stand up and be counted. Car boot and Zach are right.

The BBC should earn it's income like other broadcasters.

 

Stand up for something or take everything laying down.

 


 

How many of you are on these sort of wages?

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Hourly-Pay/BBC-Hourly-Pay-E5847.htm

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4 hours ago, zach said:

Its still not quite the same thing is it. How would you feel if you had to pay BT £150 in order to use Virgin Media for your internet. Would you be OK with that.

 

 

It doesn't work like that and you know it. 

 

The situation would be if the law stated that everyone must pay £150 before they are allowed to have a internet connection irrelevant of what supplier they choose.

 

The law and the licence is for ANY broadcast television.

 

What the government chooses to do with the money is their business.  On this occasion it forms the state broadcaster i.e. the BBC and also pays few other parts of broadcasting including establishment of several local TV and radio services, disability Access services and went towards part of the UK broadband rollout.

 

All this talk about putting the BBC commercial only and thus a licence disappears is nonsense. 

 

What makes people think that if the BBC disappeared the government will suddenly scrap the licence?   What makes people think that if the BBC was funded by advertising only the licence will disappear?

 

There are plenty of other countries out there whose state broadcaster is filled with adverts but they still pay a licence fee.  there are plenty of other countries out there whose licence fee is a hell of a lot higher than what we pay each year.  There are countries out there who have increased taxes to fund their broadcaster instead of a licence fee.

 

Perhaps the critics might want some of those options instead. I certainly wouldn't.  

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42 minutes ago, Janus said:

 

How many of you are on these sort of wages?

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Hourly-Pay/BBC-Hourly-Pay-E5847.htm

If you look at most big national civil service organisations of a similar size I would suspect quite a lot quite frankly.

 

How many layers and layers of NHS or local authority administration and management are on 30, 40, 50, 60k salaries a year.

 

How many heads of departments, specialist quangos, chief executives are on 100k plus salaries a year.

 

How many external consultants paid on a self-employed basis are earning £100s per day to provide their services.

 

I don't know why you are trying to single out the BBC here. Let's also not forget there are hundreds and hundreds of lower-level employees earning nothing like that.

 

Sounds just like any other big organisation doesn't it.

 

Nice try. 

 

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31 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

If you look at most big national civil service organisations of a similar size I would suspect quite a lot quite frankly.

 

How many layers and layers of NHS or local authority administration and management are on 30, 40, 50, 60k salaries a year.

 

How many heads of departments, specialist quangos, chief executives are on 100k plus salaries a year.

 

How many external consultants paid on a self-employed basis are earning £100s per day to provide their services.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

None of these are your average working class bloke.

Poor try.

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9 hours ago, Magilla said:

Assuming the appropiate safeguards re: impartiality and public service commitments... I'd have no problem with that.

 

It does mean those who don't watch any telly would also have to pay though.....

That's how general taxation works for the vast majority of things.

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15 minutes ago, Janus said:

None of these are your average working class bloke.

Poor try.

see you missed out the second part of his post where he stated there will be lots of lower paid workers working for them too

 

poor try. ;)

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1 hour ago, Janus said:

 

How many of you are on these sort of wages?

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Hourly-Pay/BBC-Hourly-Pay-E5847.htm

Just looking at some of the IT roles, they pay well under the going rate, I wouldn't work for them for that amount...

 

Perhaps I misunderstood the context, but were you suggesting that the BBC is overpaying these people and that it could save money by paying them less?

If so, that's nonsense of the highest order.  If they cut those rates any lower they'd simply find that they couldn't hire anyone qualified.

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1 hour ago, Janus said:

We should all be banding together and calling for the  license to be abolished, or at the very least drastically reduced. £50 per year would kick bbc salaries in to touch.

The one  reason why the working class (of which I'm part of) rarely win  the establishment , is because they fight & argue amongst themselves. Divide and conquer almost every time.

The significance of the poll tax  victory was that the majority of the UK population were affected by it, and they created strength by sticking together. The government of the time backed down.

Most  of the UK population  are probably affected by this out of date tax. It is a just and ideal oportinity to stand up and be counted. Car boot and Zach are right.

The BBC should earn it's income like other broadcasters.

 

Stand up for something or take everything laying down.

 


 

How many of you are on these sort of wages?

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Hourly-Pay/BBC-Hourly-Pay-E5847.htm

The software engineer roles pay less than where I work. I wouldn’t work in Manchester let alone London for that.

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1 hour ago, Janus said:

The one  reason why the working class (of which I'm part of) rarely win  the establishment , is because they fight & argue amongst themselves. Divide and conquer almost every time.

 

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Maybe because people argue about pensioners getting freebies in the entertainment area, when they still have to pay for more important things like reading glasses.

 

Do you think they should get free Netflix too?  How many pensioners have failed to work enough in order to qualify for these pension credits that make them eligible for a free TV license? The Conservatives have looked after pensioners in recent years with the 'triple lock' meaning their pension would increase more than inflation.

Maybe it's not the pensioners that need more freebies?

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The time has come for the older sections of the population who have voted disproportionately to make younger people poorer to take their share of the pain.

 

Younger people are losing their jobs so it’s honestly quite unbelievable that the older generation think they should be immune.

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9 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

The time has come for the older sections of the population who have voted disproportionately to make younger people poorer to take their share of the pain.

 

Younger people are losing their jobs so it’s honestly quite unbelievable that the older generation think they should be immune.

Wouldn't it make more sense for "younger people" to fight for the same benefits that older people enjoy? Rather than have a race to the bottom look at ways to persuade governments and employers to give you cheaper buses fares, cheaper housing, more stable jobs, higher incomes, etc? The problem is not what happened in the past but what the latest generations are allowing commercial interests to do to them.

 

People are constantly blaming the baby boomers for what's happening now but the real culprits are those who sold out workers' rights, that is the generation after the baby boomers. We used to have trades unions helping to protect our rights, ensuring job security and annual cost of living rises to enable us to keep up with inflation. Once people bought into trickle down economics and believed that employers were looking after their workforce that's when control of our futures slipped out of our grasp.

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