TV licence thread

[Magilla 510]

22 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

The poorer pensioners will only get a free TV licence if they agree to be means tested. Many poorer pensioners will have too much pride to agree to be means tested and will pay the licence fee.

As pointed out earlier, considering the daily cost of the license, if they haven't been tested and this cost geniunely is a real problem then clearly they also can't be heating their home or feeding themselves properly while they do currently get the license for free.

 

Those people really should be in care  or at the very least, someone should be ensuring they are claiming pension credits.

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said:

It's time to scrap the TV licence for everyone.  The TV licence was introduced before the days of hundreds of different channels and broadband.  Most households pay for a broadband subscription and broadband is the new way which many people have started to watch television through so called smart televisions.  The TV licence  should be replaced by something like a broadband tax built into broadband subscriptions which should go to fund the BBC.   Also the BBC should start taking revenue from advertising during peak viewing hours.  The BBC also need to cut costs.

Ahhhh..  right....

 

So you want to scrap a mandatory licence which people  pay if they CHOOSE to receive television broadcasts and instead compel ALL broadband subscribers to additional pay tax on their supply charge regardless of whether they choose to watch any live broadcast television or not. 

 

Genius!

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

Mass protests against the BBC will be held up and down the country outside BBC buildings and offices. The first of these protests will be held on Friday 21 June. 

 

The hated and feared BBC TV tax must fall! 

 

SUPPORT THE PENSIONERS! STOP THE GREEDY BBC VULTURES!

Given that the people who actually drew up the legal requirements of the Communications Act 2003 and the only ones who can change such law are all sat around in Westminser,  protesting outside BBC buildings seems a complete mistarget to me.

 

I certainly wont be supporting the pensioners.    Those on the absolute lowest incomes will still get a free licence and those are the ones who need support.  

 

All the rest should quite rightly should pay their way, just like just like they happily did up until they reached above 75 years old and just like all their predecessors were doing up until rule changes in 2000.

 

Pensioners are not alone in having to watch the pennies and they are certainly not the only ones feeling the pinch.    Plenty of younger people are having to manage on much less disposible income than some of our so called "poor" pensioners get.     They still have to pay if they want to use the service.   They still have to follow the law.

 

I am all for respect your elders to a point but I never have and never will buy into this OTT nonsense that just because someone is old gives an excuse for unwarranted entitlement.

Edited June 15, 2019 by ECCOnoob

[Lockdoctor 10]

41 minutes ago, melthebell said:

 

So cos they're too proud means we should spend more money than needed on people that don't need it?

 

That could be spent on the nhs

I don't think it is fair that poor pensioners who already get a free TV licence  should have to be means tested to keep a free TV licence.  It wouldn't be so bad if all pensioners already receiving a free TV licence were allowed to keep it and  only future pensioners over 75 needed to be means tested to get a free TV licence. Taking away a free TV  licence seems unfair.

 

4 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Ahhhh..  right....

 

So you want to scrap a mandatory licence which people  pay if they CHOOSE to receive television broadcasts and instead compel ALL broadband subscribers to additional pay tax on their supply charge regardless of whether they choose to watch any live broadcast television or not. 

 

Genius!

You've missed my point by a country mile.  People who watch television now who pay for a TV licence have to fund the BBC even if they never watch any BBC programs.  The point is the TV licence is outdated and new ways should be introduced to fund the BBC .   

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

10 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

I don't think it is fair that poor pensioners who already get a free TV licence  should have to be means tested to keep a free TV licence.  It wouldn't be so bad if all pensioners already receiving a free TV licence were allowed to keep it and  only future pensioners over 75 needed to be means tested to get a free TV licence. Taking away a free TV  licence seems unfair.

 

You've missed my point by a country mile.  People who watch television now who pay for a TV licence have to fund the BBC even if they never watch any BBC programs.  The point is the TV licence is outdated and new ways should be introduced to fund the BBC .   

Challenge the government then.   Its their law that mandates that everyone must have one if they choose receive any broadcast signal from any platform. 

 

Say the BBC was closed tomorrow.    Do you think the government would cease tv licences or do you think they would just find an alternative receipient of the monies? 

 

I personally dont understand why its seemingly fair for the majoiry of pensioners (except deemed pension credit level) to be suddenly exempt from paying something they were happily paying at 74 years old.     What is this dramatic change over 12 month which suddenly stops their ability to pay?      Their money certainly doesn't go down.   The cost of living doesn't suddenly shoot up over and over what anyone else has to deal with.    Why are they so special? 

 

 

 

 

[Lockdoctor 10]

10 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Challenge the government then.   Its their law that mandates that everyone must have one if they choose receive any broadcast signal from any platform. 

 

Say the BBC was closed tomorrow.    Do you think the government would cease tv licences or do you think they would just find an alternative receipient of the monies? 

 

I personally dont understand why its seemingly fair for the majoiry of pensioners (except deemed pension credit level) to be suddenly exempt from paying something they were happily paying at 74 years old.     What is this dramatic change over 12 month which suddenly stops their ability to pay?      Their money certainly doesn't go down.   The cost of living doesn't suddenly shoot up over and over what anyone else has to deal with.    Why are they so special? 

 

 

 

 

I am not going to challenge anyone and will continue to obey the law and pay for a TV licence.  I personally wouldn't  have a problem if the TV licence was replaced by a broadband tax which enabled the over 75's to  watch television in their own home for free.

 

When people reach the age of 75 their health is likely to be less good than it was at 65 and for many of them the television is a lifeline.   I don't begrudge the over 75's  having a perk of watching television in their own home without paying for the service.

[Kidorry 189]

Don`t forget that when you reach 75 you may have been paying for a T.V. licence for maybe 50 years and some of those moaning about the 75s getting a free licence are younger than that and probably never paid for a licence.

[Robin-H 11]

17 minutes ago, Kidorry said:

Don`t forget that when you reach 75 you may have been paying for a T.V. licence for maybe 50 years and some of those moaning about the 75s getting a free licence are younger than that and probably never paid for a licence.

So let’s apply that logic to everything...

 

Why should people over 75 pay for rent, or petrol, or food? Some of them will have been paying for that for over 50 years after all.. 

[Lockdoctor 10]

22 minutes ago, Kidorry said:

Don`t forget that when you reach 75 you may have been paying for a T.V. licence for maybe 50 years and some of those moaning about the 75s getting a free licence are younger than that and probably never paid for a licence.

A good fair point.

3 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

So let’s apply that logic to everything...

 

Why should people over 75 pay for rent, or petrol, or food? Some of them will have been paying for that for over 50 years after all.. 

That's a ludicrous illogical comparison. 

[Robin-H 11]

8 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

A good fair point.

That's a ludicrous illogical comparison. 

Why?

 

Elderly people who want to drive will pay for petrol. Elderly people may have been paying for petrol for 50 years. Should that exempt them for paying for it anymore? 

 

That’s the same argument as.. elderly people who want to watch live tv will pay for a tv licence. Elderly people may have been paying for a tv licence for 50 years.. therefore they should be exempt from paying for it.. 

[Lockdoctor 10]

20 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

Why?

 

Elderly people who want to drive will pay for petrol. Elderly people may have been paying for petrol for 50 years. Should that exempt them for paying for it anymore? 

 

That’s the same argument as.. elderly people who want to watch live tv will pay for a tv licence. Elderly people may have been paying for a tv licence for 50 years.. therefore they should be exempt from paying for it.. 

it's a ludicrous illogical comparison because all elderly people who have been paying for a TV licence for over 50 years have being paying what is effectively a tax to fund one single organisation.   All elderly people will have paid the same annual amount each year to fund the one organisation.   All the examples you have given fund thousands of different organisations consisting of different expenditure for every different pensioner over the 50 years.

Edited June 15, 2019 by Lockdoctor

[Cyclone 10]

What is the argument that those who can afford it shouldn't pay for it then?