Tree campaign in Sheffield in 2016 (continuation thread)

[Robin-H 11]

I understand the contract is to replace "like for like". Who's to pay for this costly flexi pave?

 

It is my understanding that there is minimal cost difference, indeed it is cheaper over the long term due to less maintenance costs. Perhaps someone has these figures to back that up?

 

Also, flexi-pave is already being used by Sheffield Council elsewhere in the city, and Amey is using flexi-pave in Birmingham.

 

Surely it would take no great leap at all for people who already use it (amey) to be asked by someone who already uses it (Sheffield Council) to use it in these cases?

[lottiecass 17]

To date most of the trees felled were done so due to their health. I know this to be true but you can believe whatever you like.

As for healthy trees, yeah there's been quite a few I agree but the action was necessary IMO. I want decent paths and roads for all Sheffield citizens, we have enough trees and any "shortfall" is wholly temporary. The new trees will be enjoyed by generations to come. I'm happy with that.

 

Its easy mega amey have tons of the trees in a yard,you can see some are rotten.

[megalithic 10]

Yes I've seen them first hand up close. I don't work for Amey or any of their contractors in any way shape or form btw.

 

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It is my understanding that there is minimal cost difference, indeed it is cheaper over the long term due to less maintenance costs. Perhaps someone has these figures to back that up?

 

Also, flexi-pave is already being used by Sheffield Council elsewhere in the city, and Amey is using flexi-pave in Birmingham.

 

Surely it would take no great leap at all for people who already use it (amey) to be asked by someone who already uses it (Sheffield Council) to use it in these cases?

I doubt the same contractors carrying out resurfacing lay the flexi pave, which would mean coordinating between different teams. That certainly would add costs and time delays.

[Mindfulness 10]

As I have already said, both Amey and SCC are already strategic partners for KBI, the company that manufactures Flexi-Pave. So it would be Amey doing the laying. Furthermore, Flexi-Pave has no maintenance costs in the longterm, which is why it is being rolled out in every city that has started implementing its use. Even Sheffield! But not the Highways Department for some reason, go figure. Interestingly, Cllr Fox has suddenly started claiming he's saved 143 trees by using Flexi-Pave, in the latest Star article. SCC just gets weirder and more farcical by the day.

 

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And they've nominated themselves for an award in communication!? Hah!

 

Unbelievable isn't it, just to add insult to injury. The disconcerting thing is, their Comms department actually think they got it right. They could not have got it more wrong and they are still getting it wrong.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Mindfulness

[Robin-H 11]

I am rather confused about this..

 

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/rare-sheffield-tree-set-for-axe-to-be-reassessed-1-7657183

 

What on earth is the purpose of 'resident’s consultation and reassessment'.

 

We know that this tree is an incredibly rare elm. We know that the tree is healthy. There should be need need for reassessment as there is nothing to assess, the facts speak for themselves.

[Mindfulness 10]

We know that this tree is an incredibly rare elm. We know that the tree is healthy. There should be need need for reassessment as there is nothing to assess, the facts speak for themselves

 

You know this Robin and I know this. Anyone with half a brain cell, knows this. But SCC has to be seen to be in control here. Male ego is such an obstacle to common sense and progression sometimes (present company excluded, of course).

[Robin-H 11]

You know this Robin and I know this. Anyone with half a brain cell, knows this. But SCC has to be seen to be in control here. Male ego is such an obstacle to common sense and progression sometimes (present company excluded, of course).

 

Ha thanks. I also happen to have a copy of a letter that was sent by Streets Ahead earlier this year that confirms that this tree is healthy and with no obvious defects.

 

There can be no backtracking on this, or some miraculous change of opinion after the reassessment, as the truth is already documented.

[megalithic 10]

Amey use a lot of subbies, the regular surface laying teams may not be able to lay flexi pave. This is assumption on my part btw but I do know for sure that its a more specialised job than regular surfacing.

[Eater Sundae 12]

Amey use a lot of subbies, the regular surface laying teams may not be able to lay flexi pave. This is assumption on my part btw but I do know for sure that its a more specialised job than regular surfacing.

 

In the previous thread didn't someone give examples of Amey having already used flexipave in Sheffield.

 

Edit. Sorry I now realise that has already been discussed.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Eater Sundae

[Guest]

Good stuff. I'm watching Nether Edge with interest since I know my area is coming up for the Streets Ahead treatment, in 2017 I think.

 

I've looked at Rustlings Road and some of the Nether Edge Streets and as far as I can see the trees have barely disturbed the pavements and kerb. It's a different story on my own road where both pavements and kerb are bulging, cracked and distorted, but I still believe there's a way round to allow the trees to be kept.

 

People that are in such peril over this perhaps shouldn't be out and about on their own.

[megalithic 10]

In the previous thread didn't someone give examples of Amey having already used flexipave in Sheffield.

I'm not sure. I tend to dip in and out of these threads as there's very rarely any attempt at understanding different points of view/opinions.

[Mindfulness 10]

There can be no backtracking on this, or some miraculous change of opinion after the reassessment, as the truth is already documented

 

The truth has no bearing on how Amey or SCC conduct themselves. If it did, Amey would realise that they are acting like some third-world, shanty-town enterprise offering a cowboy service that has no bearing on what is expected of educated professionals. And SCC would actually listen to the thousands of Sheffielders who oppose their current felling policy and try and act in the best interests of the people and communities, instead of corporations.