muddycoffee   10 #1081 Posted July 17, 2017 Already electrified from London to Bedford and soon will be to Kettering. I've just examined that progress on google earth and it suggests that the task is 50% complete. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Revel   10 #1082 Posted July 17, 2017 Already electrified from London to Bedford and soon will be to Kettering. Diesel pollution.  Electric trains are: cheaper to build. cheaper and quicker to maintain. cheaper to run. less wearing on the track. have better acceleration so increase capacity or can stop at more stations in the same time as now.  All the trains that go to London are coming up to 20 or even 40 years old and will need replacing. The cost of building a fleet of diesel trains is equivalent of buying a fleet of electric trains and electrification.  There are some complicated issues which mean that MML trains will nit be as fast as ECML but what is certain is that current line speeds are going to drop on MML in the next few years.  Electrification to Bedford was completed in 1983. As Blue Day said, the thought of paying an arm and a leg for a HS2 ticket will look less inviting if journey times are reduced by an electrified Midland Main Line. Perhaps they'll ditch the electrification plans as a way of "encouraging" us to use HS2. They'll need to claw back the wasted billions from somewhere... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Blue Day   10 #1083 Posted July 17, 2017 Electrification to Bedford was completed in 1983. As Blue Day said, the thought of paying an arm and a leg for a HS2 ticket will look less inviting if journey times are reduced by an electrified Midland Main Line. Perhaps they'll ditch the electrification plans as a way of "encouraging" us to use HS2. They'll need to claw back the wasted billions from somewhere...  The pricing of tickets intrigues me. It's got to be well thought out.  On one hand they have to start and recoup the billions spent, yet they can't massively over price it cos folk will stick to the old route. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
muddycoffee   10 #1084 Posted July 17, 2017 Any one (in this case) who will not be able to afford using the new so called super train. Angel1.  The pricing structure will be the same as the existing pricing structure where it is entirely possible to book early and get a ticket to London for £20. It is only expensive if you buy a ticket late when there is only 1 seat left. The trains are often full which is the main problem today, and why we need extra routes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Penistone999 Â Â 10 #1085 Posted July 17, 2017 So , sheffield was getting a state of the art, purpose built HS2 station at Meadowhall , but the councils obsession with wanting it in the city centre means sheffield has been given the scraps of the odd HS2 train running on existing tracks through the city centre station , while the main HS2 line by-passes the city completely . Whilst the majority of HS trains will fly past sheffield without stopping , SCC`s obsession with the city centre will see trains coming through the city like Thomas the Tank engine. Â The city has missed out on being a HS2 hub , and massive investment and jobs because of this Labour councils latest in a long line of incompetent decisions. Â Leeds must be laughing it head off at sheffield tonight. Â Well dont SCC , you have proven once again how useless you really are. Â The city had the chance to become a major player on the HS2 , but is now nothing more than a spectator watching othersw benefit for this councils incompetence . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
muddycoffee   10 #1086 Posted July 17, 2017 The pricing of tickets intrigues me. It's got to be well thought out.  On one hand they have to start and recoup the billions spent, yet they can't massively over price it cos folk will stick to the old route.  1) it is national infrastructure, you don't pay for it quickly, it is paid off over decades like a mortgage. 2) When the HS2 route is fully open the Midland route will not go as far as London. Why would you run two rival services it doesn't make any sense? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Penistone999   10 #1087 Posted July 17, 2017 The government's preferred routes for the HS2 high speed railway north of Birmingham have been confirmed. The eastern route to Leeds will run east of Sheffield, with some trains going into the city on existing lines.  Just confirmed.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40635299  So as expected Sheffield really wont get HS2 but Leeds does. Sheffield will just get a few HS2 trains diverted via a link line which will then run at normal speed. The Tories really hate this city.   It would have been much better for the Northern cities to have been linked together properly.  You cannot blame the Tories for this, The blame lies firmly at the door of SCC . we were getting a a new HS2 station on the main HS2 line until they moaned it wasnt running through the city centre. Now the government have taken that away for us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat   11 #1088 Posted July 17, 2017 You cannot blame the Tories for this, The blame lies firmly at the door of SCC . we were getting a a new HS2 station on the main HS2 line until they moaned it wasnt running through the city centre. Now the government have taken that away for us.  But it's not ploughing through killamarsh now. Score!!!  #proudnimby  ;);) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Blue Day   10 #1089 Posted July 17, 2017 1) it is national infrastructure, you don't pay for it quickly, it is paid off over decades like a mortgage. 2) When the HS2 route is fully open the Midland route will not go as far as London. Why would you run two rival services it doesn't make any sense?  Is that fact?  Surely by the time it's built the numbers using the trains will mean both are required? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
martin6 Â Â 10 #1090 Posted July 17, 2017 A little over 60 mins from Meadowhall. Now Leeds and manchester will be faster, what will happen to the investment opportunities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Modernsoulman   10 #1091 Posted July 17, 2017 So , sheffield was getting a state of the art, purpose built HS2 station at Meadowhall , but the councils obsession with wanting it in the city centre means sheffield has been given the scraps of the odd HS2 train running on existing tracks through the city centre station , while the main HS2 line by-passes the city completely . Whilst the majority of HS trains will fly past sheffield without stopping , SCC`s obsession with the city centre will see trains coming through the city like Thomas the Tank engine.  The city has missed out on being a HS2 hub , and massive investment and jobs because of this Labour councils latest in a long line of incompetent decisions.  Leeds must be laughing it head off at sheffield tonight.  Well dont SCC , you have proven once again how useless you really are.  The city had the chance to become a major player on the HS2 , but is now nothing more than a spectator watching othersw benefit for this councils incompetence . Bang on Sir. As an ex Sheffielder who now lives in the West Midlands I can confirm this is exactly what people in my area are saying. The Meadowhall station would have served all of South Yorkshire & linked up with the Supertram, the train station at Meadowhall, the bus station at Meadowhall & most importantly the M1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
abbeyedges   82 #1092 Posted July 17, 2017 We started out with an Either : Or. Either City Centre or Meadowhall. And we end up with a Neither.  The consequences of this decision to me means very little. The concern is how the outside world views us. By us I mean Sheffield.  There are those in the city (many who express their views on here) who have the opinion that we are a large village, inward looking with very little ambition.  It seems that opinion has now shared by the powers that be in Whitehall.  The first HS2 to travel past our door is not for many years but the door of opportunity for us to be seen as a major player in this 'northern powerhouse' in the shorter term has just been firmly shut.  This should be our major concern. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...