Campaign grows to switch the building of HS2 station to Sheffield city

[alchemist 35]

 

for people travelling to Donny etc better to connect at Sheffield onto non-stop trains than at Meadowhell onto rickety old boneshakers stopping at every lamp-post

 

Non-stop trains to Doncaster only go from Sheffield? There are non-stop trains from Meadowhall

[SteelCityAle 10]

but not as many...

[byeo 10]

Just imagine coming to Sheffield to go to the Lyceum and after having a good night. You have to get a tram, bus or train to Meadowhall at 10.30pm to get the HS2 home.

 

Imagine going to London to see a West End show and after a good night you have to get the underground, night bus or a cab back to St Pancras, Waterloo, Euston or any other station in London, to get home...

[AmourDesign 10]

Imagine going to London to see a West End show and after a good night you have to get the underground, night bus or a cab back to St Pancras, Waterloo, Euston or any other station in London, to get home...

 

Whats your point?

 

London is about 10 times bigger than Sheffield

[smiggs 10]

At the moment, on a weekend, you can't even get a local stopping service out of Sheffield beyond 10.40 so can't imagine a long distance one getting priority. Besides, HS2 is likely to be hellishly expensive to travel on and largely for business travellers. I think social travellers are more likely to stick to their conventional routes.

 

FYI last train out of Sheffield to Doncaster is 23:27. Leeds 23:15.

 

Threatre goers will likely stay overnight unless they they are close by anyway late night highspeed trains to and from Sheffield - Leeds and perhaps Manchester would be very welcome.

[AmourDesign 10]

FYI last train out of Sheffield to Doncaster is 23:27. Leeds 23:15.

 

Threatre goers will likely stay overnight unless they they are close by anyway late night highspeed trains to and from Sheffield - Leeds and perhaps Manchester would be very welcome.

 

An all night train service to Manchester airport would be very welcome!

[Iron Felix 10]

Unfortunately with the faffing about linked with the regeneration of Sheffield and Region (or not) the only likely outcome of faster links to Manchester is to convert Sheffield into another dormitory town for Manchester.

 

One has to ask what is Sheffield for these days? At the moment the main activity in Sheffield seems to be equivalent of taking in each other's washing, nice for the family paid for doing the cleaning but the street overall doesn't get any better off.

 

Coal and steel have gone and what has replaced them as a real income earner for the area? Sheffield seems to have little get up and go, with a few small exceptions. Still would you put your money into a town famous for its whining inhabitants?

[amazon123 17]

I'm not really convinced that practicalities have been considered by the City Centre campaign.

 

This HS2 station is intended to serve South Yorkshire, not just Sheffield - so how to people from Doncaster, Rotherham and Barnsley reach Victoria?

 

As long as those high-flying business men and women living in Barnsley, Rotherham and Tinsley can access HS2, it doesn't matter eh? Everyone knows the majority of the people using it will be based in the south-west of Sheffield.

[Stoatwobbler 10]

As long as those high-flying business men and women living in Barnsley, Rotherham and Tinsley can access HS2, it doesn't matter eh? Everyone knows the majority of the people using it will be based in the south-west of Sheffield.

 

When you think about it, Barnsley is in a very good location to reinvent itself as a commuter town....

[AmourDesign 10]

As long as those high-flying business men and women living in Barnsley, Rotherham and Tinsley can access HS2, it doesn't matter eh? Everyone knows the majority of the people using it will be based in the south-west of Sheffield.

 

I live & Work in Sheffield so stuff the rest of South Yorkshire as far as im concerned.

 

Bring it to the city centre!

[Eater Sundae 12]

I think a key aspect of HS2 is the overall time from train journey start to journey finish.

 

Consider HS2 between, say, Birmingham and Leeds. The overall time between start and finish is governed by the length of the route, and the number of stops along the way. At one extreme, this would ne a straight line between Birmingham and Leeds, with no stops along the way. Great for Birmingham and Leeds, but not much use to anyone else. At the other extreme, the route could detour and swing into each town and village along the way. This would be ideal from the point of view of any particular town, but of course the overall effect would make HS2 so slow that it wouldn't be worthwhile, both in terms of the number of stops as well as the overall length of track.

 

Sheffield appears to be approaching this from this point of view, ie what is best for Sheffield. It ignores what is best for Rotherham, Doncaster, Barnsley etc. That's not necessarily a bad thing - Sheffield should be trying to get what is best for Sheffield. However, the people deciding on the ideal design of HS2 have to look at the bigger picture, which doesn't necessarily give the same answer.

 

If the total journey time (Birmingham to Leeds) via Sheffield is greater than the time via Meadowhall, then this must count against the proposal to have the station at Victoria.

[Flexo 10]

I think a key aspect of HS2 is the overall time from train journey start to journey finish.

 

HS2 doesn't do that very well because it reduces journey times only between a very small number of stations.

 

HS2 doesn't integrate with the existing rail network so changes of train will be needed. Changing at Meadowhall and getting a local service will negate a lot of the supposed journey time savings.

 

Journey times on some other routes will take longer and trains will be less frequent - they plan to cut other train services. So the Chesterfield-to-London route will become worse - people will have to choose between a less frequent service or driving to Meadowhall.

 

On the other hand, the alternative proposals published by HighSpeedUK reduces journey times by 40% across the entire Intercity network, re-opens the Manchester-to-sheffield line, costs 25% less and is generally a far better plan!