Campaign grows to switch the building of HS2 station to Sheffield city

[Annie Bynnol 612]

8 minutes ago, sadbrewer said:

True to an extent, but South Yorkshire, and Sheffield in particular had the Meadowhall option on a plate until SCC decided to actively campaign against it.

The government ended up with two preferred routes:

Nunnery/Victoria -preferred by SCC as it would help development of the area.

Meadowhall - preferred by the railway and the government as it was cheaper and allowed for easier links to the North.

 

The government opted for Meadowhall and a period of detailed planning took place but after a financial review the government introduced a cheaper route with Sheffield (Midland) station connected to HS2 at Clay Cross- this was not supported by SCC.

 

Yet another review has delayed and changed the eastern leg of HS2  so that it connects to the current network somewhere between East Midlands Parkway and the Trent Junctions. 

 

 

[Jeffrey Shaw 90]

On 17/12/2020 at 16:09, sedith said:

All this would be a one way transport from Leeds to Kings Cross/Euston/St Pancras.

Er, that just cannot be so. If all traffic were southbound and nobody ever went northbound, well- where would all those people live in London and would they all sell their houses/flats in the north? What goes down must go up- and whoever goes down south must equally go up north. The numbers have to equal each other, surely!

[prince al 170]

Can’t wait! Get it on!

[sedith 19]

4 hours ago, Jeffrey Shaw said:

Er, that just cannot be so. If all traffic were southbound and nobody ever went northbound, well- where would all those people live in London and would they all sell their houses/flats in the north? What goes down must go up- and whoever goes down south must equally go up north. The numbers have to equal each other, surely!

How can the country afford HS2 after this pandemic ...  there is absolutely no need for workers to go into the office. I came down the south west  8 yrs ago but rarely go back up north. Apart from family commitments, no need to visit?

[Annie Bynnol 612]

13 hours ago, sedith said:

How can the country afford HS2 after this pandemic ...  there is absolutely no need for workers to go into the office. I came down the south west  8 yrs ago but rarely go back up north. Apart from family commitments, no need to visit?

The South West is/has benefitted  enormously from recent multi £billion  investment at the expense of the North and especially Sheffield.

The South West region has had Billions of pounds spent on:

all new rolling stock including Bi modes

GWR electrification, signalling, junction, stations, tunnels etc.,etc.

benefits from Crossrail

MML electrification was listed to be done first as it was financially sensible, but politics  won and the southern politicians  got their way. 

[BigAl1 143]

21 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

The South West is/has benefitted  enormously from recent multi £billion  investment at the expense of the North and especially Sheffield.

The South West region has had Billions of pounds spent on:

all new rolling stock including Bi modes

GWR electrification, signalling, junction, stations, tunnels etc.,etc.

benefits from Crossrail

MML electrification was listed to be done first as it was financially sensible, but politics  won and the southern politicians  got their way. 

Annie I would be very interested to see the evidence that the SW has benefited enormously from the investment in the railway to the SW that you are using - I seem to recall that the new trains did not go into full service to the SW until the end of 2018.

[Annie Bynnol 612]

Individuals are already seeing  better journey times, more frequent trains, better arrival/departure times and services that are more reliable. This is directly  evidenced in the timetable which changes twice a year.

These timetable changes rely on the completion of projects and bedding down so are not instant but on-going.

As well as electrification and new trains:

Crossrail work completed from Paddington to Reading providing increased line speed, reliability, capacity and frequency.

Reading station being re built,

Reading junctions and new flyover and lines to Didcot. 

Other projects at Bath, Bristol -Bristol Parkway, Seven Tunnel.

On going work on  reliability and resilience  of services beyond Bristol.

Increasingly unreliable HST fleet replaced by new Bi-modes. 

 

It is not all bad news for us as when electrification is planned all future improvements like signalling and infrastructure projects are brought forward and completed and the current situation with the MML  is:

Completion of the wiring to Kettering (and soon to Market Harborough).

Signalling, track re alignment and bridge re building to electrification standard and plan.

Re built stations and re introduction of removed 4 track sections.

Upgrading supply and wiring between London and Bedford for longer/heavier and more frequent trains.

 

A Government announcement soon about environment issues will probably indicate that the MML will be electrified in stages to Leicester, Nottingham, Derby then Sheffield.  

 

 

 

[sedith 19]

Come on, get real, its never going to happen is it? All those people in the south wanting to get up north? I don't think so.

[Annie Bynnol 612]

42 minutes ago, sedith said:

Come on, get real, its never going to happen is it? All those people in the south wanting to get up north? I don't think so.

The Government have built the M5, M40, M1/6, M6(toll), A1(M), M11 and many more 'A' roads to meet a seemingly insatiable demand.

Flights North include, Manchester, East Midlands, Liverpool, Humberside, Newcastle, and Leeds Bradford with taxation used to suppress demand.

Railways companies to the North have to agree to Government policies on high fares and increases to suppress demand.

 

As HS2 construction has already started even the Government believes that the railway is a part solution to the demand for 

"All those people in the south wanting to get up north"?

 

 

 

[geared 315]

Things are looking real good.

 

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[BigAl1 143]

there have been numerous and regular leaks that it will be cancelled so nothing new there. As with most projects in the UK the estimates for the work go up once approval has been given and as work begins.

 

Should have asked the Chinese to quote

[Anna B 1,414]

Sheffield is something of a backwater because the Duke of Norfolk refused to have the railway track over his land back in the 1830's the early days of railways. Consequently the line went via Doncaster and all the railway engineering went there. 

Beeching didn't help with all the lines he cut in the 1960's. 

 

It looks like HS2 will never get past Birmingham anyway. If it ever reaches Sheffield (as a continuous line rather than an offshoot) it will take so long it will probably be ancient technology and everyone will have moved onto a hyperloop system or somesuch.....

 

1 hour ago, Bigal1 said:

there have been numerous and regular leaks that it will be cancelled so nothing new there. As with most projects in the UK the estimates for the work go up once approval has been given and as work begins.

 

Should have asked the Chinese to quote

Indeed. What is wrong with this country that everything is hugely priced and  moves at a snails pace? 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Anna B