Guest busdriver1   #1501 Posted July 14, 2020 16 hours ago, jamie risner said: It should bring the prices down on normal train lines though - like in Europe. In Italy/France you can pay more and get the high speed train or pay a lot less and get the intercity service... Hopefully that's how it work in the UK! Given that train fares in the uk are already expensive as a walk up purchase (not all of us have the luxury of getting weeks of notice of our travel requirements) I predict HS2 will be even higher than them giving the impression that the current fares are a "bargain" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
BigAl1   142 #1502 Posted July 14, 2020 17 hours ago, jamie risner said: It should bring the prices down on normal train lines though - like in Europe. In Italy/France you can pay more and get the high speed train or pay a lot less and get the intercity service... Hopefully that's how it work in the UK! Dept Transport consultaion Assumptions on Fares on HS2 London to West MidlandsWe have assumed that the level of fares on HS2 would be the same on average as on other trains and that there would be a similar fares structure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Baron99   772 #1503 Posted December 12, 2020 Huge waste of money anyway.  https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/sheffield-leeds-leg-hs2-could-19442603  We'd be better off with improving the links east to west, linking all the major cities from the Humber to Liverpool, especially between Sheffield & Manchester. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclecar   24 #1504 Posted December 12, 2020 Agree 100%. Unfortunately the Hope Valley line contains two of the three longest tunnels on the mainland network. There isn't a lot of headroom so to fit overhead electrification will be difficult and costly (so I have been told). We need someone to come up with hybrid locomotives that can run on electric in the built up section, reverting to internl combustion elsewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
iansheff   84 #1505 Posted December 12, 2020 According to the article below it says "Key government advisers are poised to recommend that the Yorkshire leg of HS2 be scrapped, it can be revealed." It will be interesting to see what they actually do, although I personally think it is a total waste of money and the existing infrastructure should have been upgraded. An article in The Star says Sheffield is the largest and busiest City that is not on the electrified network.  Sheffield and Leeds leg of HS2 could be scrapped as advisers set to recommend terminating line early - YorkshireLive (examinerlive.co.uk) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Annie Bynnol   610 #1506 Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cyclecar said: Agree 100%. Unfortunately the Hope Valley line contains two of the three longest tunnels on the mainland network. There isn't a lot of headroom so to fit overhead electrification will be difficult and costly (so I have been told). We need someone to come up with hybrid locomotives that can run on electric in the built up section, reverting to internl combustion elsewhere. A third tunnel at Disley on the current main route  should also be included. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Planner1   427 #1507 Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Baron99 said: We'd be better off with improving the links east to west, linking all the major cities from the Humber to Liverpool, especially between Sheffield & Manchester. Already happening (hopefully). See:https://transportforthenorth.com/northern-powerhouse-rail/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Annie Bynnol   610 #1508 Posted December 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Planner1 said: Already happening (hopefully). See:https://transportforthenorth.com/northern-powerhouse-rail/ Purely a crayon doodle -none of this is happening unless it includes Manchester ie Manchester Leeds electrification, Manchester HS2 and Manchester Piccadilly 15&16. There will be no such thing as HS3.  25 years ago the first plans and promises were made to rebuild the Dore junctions and a second platform at the station. This and a loop at Bamford will benefit stone traffic in avoiding the Manchester area more than it will Sheffield Manchester passengers when(if) the work starts in the Spring.  The stagnation of the development of railways in this area will continue because of the failure to proceed with HS2 because the capacity and re building of Sheffield station, electrification north of Clay Cross to Doncaster/ Leeds are dependent on HS2 plans. Who will mop up the money? Manchester and Leeds.     Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat   11 #1509 Posted December 12, 2020 8 hours ago, iansheff said: According to the article below it says "Key government advisers are poised to recommend that the Yorkshire leg of HS2 be scrapped, it can be revealed." It will be interesting to see what they actually do, although I personally think it is a total waste of money and the existing infrastructure should have been upgraded. An article in The Star says Sheffield is the largest and busiest City that is not on the electrified network.  Sheffield and Leeds leg of HS2 could be scrapped as advisers set to recommend terminating line early - YorkshireLive (examinerlive.co.uk) Oh my goodness, I'll have to lay down as I'm so shocked at this development. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
BigAl1   142 #1510 Posted December 13, 2020 Goodness me have the Star only just realised that Sheffield is the biggest city without an electrified network  As for the line not reaching Sheffield well I will join Tinfoilhat  Cyclecar: bi modes are readily available today and current thinking is electric with battery for non electrified sections  It is all very well talking about upgrading cross pennine routes but there ain't going to be much spare cash for Sheffield by the time they have done the line from Leeds to Manchester Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Baron99   772 #1511 Posted December 14, 2020 15 hours ago, Bigal1 said: Goodness me have the Star only just realised that Sheffield is the biggest city without an electrified network  As for the line not reaching Sheffield well I will join Tinfoilhat  Cyclecar: bi modes are readily available today and current thinking is electric with battery for non electrified sections  It is all very well talking about upgrading cross pennine routes but there ain't going to be much spare cash for Sheffield by the time they have done the line from Leeds to Manchester My bold.  And let's not forget an airport as well...a proper ring road... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
BigAl1   142 #1512 Posted December 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Baron99 said: My bold.  And let's not forget an airport as well...a proper ring road... Could not even find somewhere to tie up my horse at the weekend when trying to visit the Market Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...