Chez2 10 #1345 Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Andy C said: I think the idea is the local Doncaster-Sheffield all station trains will be removed freeing up capacity at Sheffield station for the HS2 trains to Leeds/Birmingham/London and a new tram train service will run Sheffield City Centre to Doncaster town and Doncaster Airport. Whether the tram trains is from the Sheffield Station tram stop or Sheffield Cathedral isn't mentioned, however I think there is hope for major investment in the tram network to add lots of new tram train lines including one to Waverley/AMP and maybe one to Stocksbridge so what trams do in Sheffield City Centre may look different by then. There is a decent service from Doncaster and Retford to London, much better than from Sheffield. Are there plans to change these two routes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ECCOnoob 980 #1346 Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chez2 said: There is a decent service from Doncaster and Retford to London, much better than from Sheffield. Are there plans to change these two routes? Im not overly convinced by that. Its certainly not better if your dont live within a short distance from either station. Yes, the line itself has shorter journey times from yorkshire down to the capital but factor in communting and/or additional waiting time getting to and interchanging and any time saving is completely lost. Secondly, from my own experiences of the East Coast Mainline - it always seems to be the one with problems. Its wholly oversubscribed because every TOC seems to want to fight to run a service on it, its clearly much busier with passengers which impacts the service levels, overcrowding and stations - plus there are frequent delays due to technical faults, power failures, signaling or otherwise. The MML may not (yet) have the same prestige or the shiny new trains, but from my own experience it is rarely struck by long delays (certainly noticably lesser than ECML), the trains, whilst older are still half decent and the convenience of a direct service from Sheffield more than makes up for the 25 or so extra minutes of journey time. Edited July 30, 2019 by ECCOnoob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Chez2 10 #1347 Posted July 31, 2019 18 hours ago, ECCOnoob said: Im not overly convinced by that. Its certainly not better if your dont live within a short distance from either station. Yes, the line itself has shorter journey times from yorkshire down to the capital but factor in communting and/or additional waiting time getting to and interchanging and any time saving is completely lost. Secondly, from my own experiences of the East Coast Mainline - it always seems to be the one with problems. Its wholly oversubscribed because every TOC seems to want to fight to run a service on it, its clearly much busier with passengers which impacts the service levels, overcrowding and stations - plus there are frequent delays due to technical faults, power failures, signaling or otherwise. The MML may not (yet) have the same prestige or the shiny new trains, but from my own experience it is rarely struck by long delays (certainly noticably lesser than ECML), the trains, whilst older are still half decent and the convenience of a direct service from Sheffield more than makes up for the 25 or so extra minutes of journey time. Where you live doesn't affect the service, just your convenience. We live on the edge of Rotherham and Sheffield and find we can get to Doncaster or Retford station just as easy if not easier than Sheffield due to traffic. Once you get to Sheffield you can't park close by as easy as you can at Doncaster or Retford. The train journey is quicker too. My question was about the train service from Doncaster and Retford not a persons proximity to any of the stations. My husband has used these stations a lot for trips to London (and Scotland from Doncaster). He used to have to go at least monthly if not more frequently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Andy C 83 #1348 Posted July 31, 2019 Looking at the maps that have been published for proposed HS2 services, trains from Scotland, North East England and Leeds that currently use the East Coast Main Line via Doncaster to Kings Cross will instead use the HS2 line from Yorkshire south. Likewise Cross Country trains will use HS2 between Yorkshire and Birmingham. Obviously those trains will no longer call at Doncaster or Retford, however nothing has been announced as to how the capacity freed up will be used. It is likely more commuter trains will run south of Peterborough, however it could also be used to run more services from places like Lincoln, Grimsby and Hull through to London, some of which could serve Doncaster and Retford. I would also imagine regular trains will still run from Doncaster but perhaps serving more intermediate stops as the fast trains will be on HS2 instead. Originally the proposed HS2 station at Meadowhall Interchange was to serve all South Yorkshire as it is served by trains from Barnsley, Doncaster and Rotherham and is also easy to reach via the M1/M18. That isn't to be though unfortunately. There is talk instead of building a high speed station in the Dearne Valley somewere between Doncaster and Wakefield though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Ms Macbeth 70 #1349 Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Andy C said: Originally the proposed HS2 station at Meadowhall Interchange was to serve all South Yorkshire as it is served by trains from Barnsley, Doncaster and Rotherham and is also easy to reach via the M1/M18. That isn't to be though unfortunately. There is talk instead of building a high speed station in the Dearne Valley somewere between Doncaster and Wakefield though. Meadowhall was such a sensible idea. No wonder the rest of South Yorkshire are reluctant to be part of the Sheffield City Region when Sheffield can act so selfishly to insist on Midland Station. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Blue Day 10 #1350 Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Ms Macbeth said: Meadowhall was such a sensible idea. No wonder the rest of South Yorkshire are reluctant to be part of the Sheffield City Region when Sheffield can act so selfishly to insist on Midland Station. Absolutely. It would serve a far larger area of South Yorkshire with excellent links to other rail, road and tram. I really don’t understand Sheff Councils thinking on insisting it comes (at a snails pace) to midland station instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Annie Bynnol 596 #1351 Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Blue Day said: Absolutely. It would serve a far larger area of South Yorkshire with excellent links to other rail, road and tram. I really don’t understand Sheff Councils thinking on insisting it comes (at a snails pace) to midland station instead. 2 hours ago, Ms Macbeth said: Meadowhall was such a sensible idea. No wonder the rest of South Yorkshire are reluctant to be part of the Sheffield City Region when Sheffield can act so selfishly to insist on Midland Station. 1 hour ago, Blue Day said: Absolutely. It would serve a far larger area of South Yorkshire with excellent links to other rail, road and tram. I really don’t understand Sheff Councils thinking on insisting it comes (at a snails pace) to midland station instead. Please stop perpetuating the myth that accuses Sheffield City Council of wanting the HS2 station at Midland and is being copied by more and more people. The Government settled on two finalists for routes through Sheffield. 1 Meadowhall (the "winner") 2 Beighton-Nunnery/Victoria- Chapletown.( preferred by SCC- rejected on cost). Sheffield (Midland) had been rejected on cost, capacity and on local and regional infrastructure and connectivity previously. SCC wanted as 'city' station on the grounds of economic growth particularly around Nunnery-Victoria. Like everyone else SCC knew that Midland is a non starter. Edited July 31, 2019 by Annie Bynnol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Blue Day 10 #1352 Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Annie Bynnol said: Please stop perpetuating the myth that accuses Sheffield City Council of wanting the HS2 station at Midland and is being copied by more and more people. The Government settled on two finalists for routes through Sheffield. 1 Meadowhall (the "winner") 2 Beighton-Nunnery/Victoria- Chapletown.( preferred by SCC- rejected on cost). Sheffield (Midland) had been rejected on cost, capacity and on local and regional infrastructure and connectivity previously. SCC wanted as 'city' station on the grounds of economic growth particularly around Nunnery-Victoria. Like everyone else SCC knew that Midland is a non starter. I’m lost. I’ve heard nothing about it going through Meadowhall. Is that the chosen route now? I haven’t read that anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sedith 19 #1353 Posted July 31, 2019 Doncaster will be the new Sheffield ... airport facilities ... ferry ports nearby ... m18 location near the town, location to Leeds. Its a no brainer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Chez2 10 #1354 Posted August 1, 2019 10 hours ago, Blue Day said: I’m lost. I’ve heard nothing about it going through Meadowhall. Is that the chosen route now? I haven’t read that anywhere. Meadowhall was a suggestion on the original proposal; how can you have missed that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Annie Bynnol 596 #1355 Posted August 1, 2019 10 hours ago, Blue Day said: I’m lost. I’ve heard nothing about it going through Meadowhall. Is that the chosen route now? I haven’t read that anywhere. No, it will not be going through Meadowhall. During the initial planning several routes were researched. From this list the Government chose two- Meadowhall and Victoria. Of these two the Government chose Meadowhall despite SCC wanting Victoria. Detailed planning and consultation for the route were carried out at the cost of millions. The Government ordered a review to reduce costs. The review found that a route further east through Mexborough would reduce costs. Sheffield would get a branch off the HS2 route to current Midland Mainlin( MML) at Clay Cross. At no stage did SCC campaign for a Midland option. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat 11 #1356 Posted August 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said: No, it will not be going through Meadowhall. During the initial planning several routes were researched. From this list the Government chose two- Meadowhall and Victoria. Of these two the Government chose Meadowhall despite SCC wanting Victoria. Detailed planning and consultation for the route were carried out at the cost of millions. The Government ordered a review to reduce costs. The review found that a route further east through Mexborough would reduce costs. Sheffield would get a branch off the HS2 route to current Midland Mainlin( MML) at Clay Cross. At no stage did SCC campaign for a Midland option. Did they push for the Meadowhall option? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...