Campaign grows to switch the building of HS2 station to Sheffield city

[Dan_Ashcroft 10]

At least they've found the money for Cross Rail 2...........

 

The South East votes Tory, so the government will prioritise their heartlands and marginal areas over hard red areas.

[tinfoilhat 11]

The South East votes Tory, so the government will prioritise their heartlands and marginal areas over hard red areas.

 

But great swathes of london vote labour?

[Dan_Ashcroft 10]

But great swathes of london vote labour?

 

Crossrail 2 is to transport commuters in from Hertfordshire and Surrey into London, it's not really for people that live in London

 

London itself is generally a 50:50 Tory-Labour split

[pss60 10]

The South East votes Tory, so the government will prioritise their heartlands and marginal areas over hard red areas.

Much of the route of the Midland Mainline which isn't being electrified voted Tory as well. Amber Valley, Broxtowe, Erewash, Loughborough, as well as Derbyshire North East elected Tory MPs. Sherwood also did and even Mansfield as well, which isn't far from that line. The majorities are all less than 5,500 so lets see if they vote Tory next time after this disgraceful snub.

[Annie Bynnol 611]

But great swathes of london vote labour?

 

What has that got to do with the SE commutes from the Conservative constituencies into London?

 

The Labour constituencies are lucky to be part of the vastly subsidised SE rail and Tfl underground, overground and buses, which brings these commuters into and around London.

 

£8 billion a year.

[tinfoilhat 11]

What has that got to do with the SE commutes from the Conservative constituencies into London?

 

The Labour constituencies are lucky to be part of the vastly subsidised SE rail and Tfl underground, overground and buses, which brings these commuters into and around London.

 

£8 billion a year.

 

I was responding to an earlier poster who said most of SE england voted tory. A quicjk check on the crossrail 2 route shows enfield getting stations (if Ive read it right) and both enfield seats are labour.

[Dan_Ashcroft 10]

Petition: https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/crossrail-north-now

[Cyclone 10]

Signed, for what good it will do.

[Annie Bynnol 611]

I was responding to an earlier poster who said most of SE england voted tory. A quicjk check on the crossrail 2 route shows enfield getting stations (if Ive read it right) and both enfield seats are labour.

 

"Crossrail 2 is a new proposed railway linking the national rail networks in Surrey and Hertfordshire via an underground tunnel through London." Crossrail 2 website

 

Hertfordshire's eleven MPs are all Conservatives.

 

Surrey's eleven MPs are all Conservatives.

This includes Chris Grayling the current Secretary of State for Transport, Cabinet ministers Philip Hammond a previous Secretary of State for Transport, Michael Gove and Jeremy Hunt.

[geared 299]

Anywhere along or near the route is going to benefit massively from quicker transport into London.

This usually means a tasty bump in the value of the houses people own there.

 

No wonder folk are all in favour for CrossRail2.

[LeMaquis 10]

"Crossrail 2 is a new proposed railway linking the national rail networks in Surrey and Hertfordshire via an underground tunnel through London." Crossrail 2 website

 

Hertfordshire's eleven MPs are all Conservatives.

 

Surrey's eleven MPs are all Conservatives.

This includes Chris Grayling the current Secretary of State for Transport, Cabinet ministers Philip Hammond a previous Secretary of State for Transport, Michael Gove and Jeremy Hunt.

 

If you look at your own link it shows all the proposed stations, many of which are not in Hertfordshire or Surrey. The line will service a lot of very Labour areas including Dalston, Seven Sisters, Wood Green, Tooting and Clapham as well as Lib-Dem Kingston. In any case it serves very few of the 22 constituencies you've quoted. It barely touches Hertfordshire.

 

The line won't just be used by people travelling from Surrey or Hertfordshire into London. It'll be used by people getting on at one stop in London and getting off at another stop in London. It will also have intersections with Crossrail One and tube lines. At a guess I'd say that even tourists might use it. To say that Tory commuters in the leafy Home Counties will benefit most is ridiculous.

 

London's public transport infrastructure needs upgrades anyway. The problem is that the government is funding London but not some of the provinces.

[1978 14]

... if we want a 30min centre-to-centre service, we don't need high-speed trains, we just need slightly-faster-than-an-old-donkey trains.

 

ads36, if you can explain how a slightly faster train can achieve a centre to centre journey time of 30 minutes I for one would, love to know.

 

The current maximum line speed on the Hope Valley line is 90 mph.

 

The fastest Class 185 units currently running on the line are capable of 100mph, but large stretches of the current track restrict them to 60 mph, and in some sections even less. They're the newest at 11-12 years old. Almost 40 year old HSTs have run on the line, but although capable of 125 mph they're subject to the same restrictions.

 

The old Pacers and their replacements couldn't go much faster than at present because they're stopping and starting all the way along the route.

 

Even if an HST could run up to 125 mph it would soon catch up with a stopping service or a freight train slowing it down to 50 or 60 mph at best. And if it could run without restrictions it would get snarled up in congestion at Sheffield or Piccadilly

 

Reducing the current best times from about 50 minutes to 45 might be possible with track and signalling improvements, allowing current trains to use their full capability for more of the route.