alchemist   35 #1201 Posted July 20, 2017 The reasons not to have barriers have been discussed at length before, they trump the desire of private companies to do revenue protection in the cheapest way IMO. The reason you've given is why the TOC would want barriers anyway, not the reason we would want them.  You want barriers? Then stick them at the top/bottom of each stairway. NOT on the route to the tram Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #1202 Posted July 20, 2017 You want barriers? Then stick them at the top/bottom of each stairway. NOT on the route to the tram  Can't argue with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
LeMaquis   10 #1203 Posted July 20, 2017 Can't argue with that.  Installing barriers at the bottom of the staircases would be dangerous. People would get crushed if there was a delay.  And people wanting to avoid paying would just take the lift. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #1204 Posted July 20, 2017 Installing barriers at the bottom of the staircases would be dangerous. People would get crushed if there was a delay. And people wanting to avoid paying would just take the lift.  Whereas barriers at the much busier bridge that serves 7 of 8 platforms, nobody would get crushed there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
1978   14 #1205 Posted July 20, 2017 The way to make Midland work as a major transport hub are: - Demolish Park Hill and build a massive car park in the hill side - Upgrade the Parkway to 3 Lanes and keep the 70 limit to closer to town - Build a new slip road from the Parkway, through Hyde Park, into the new car park - Build a bridge from the bottom of Chesterfield Road to the new car park  Placing the HS2 ptaforms beneath Park Hill, in a tunnelled section which could continue to by-pass the bottle neck at the north end of the station, would be good, with further tunnelling to create a large car park. Sadly, a project of that sort would probably be vetoed on cost grounds alone, let alone worries about the effect on our listed flat blocks.  A new pedestrian bridge across the station will be the responsibility of the next franchise holder. It will need to be raised over any electrified tracks, and widened to cope with future demand. The current bridge, and lifts, are accepted to be inadequate by East Midlands, but any work would be very costly, and probably contentious. They've no incentive to do it at the end of their current franchise. It might be made a commitment in the next franchise tender terms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ihpb   10 #1206 Posted July 21, 2017 Train stations are an ancient way of transfer. The modern way will be syncing parallel trains to transfer passengers onto the fast moving carriages then the transfer station train slowing to stop at the next of two connected stations then back along the same line in the opposite direction to transfer onto the none stop fast train in the opposite direction. Train station Hah! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #1207 Posted July 21, 2017 So there'll still be stations then, for the "syncing trains" to pick people up at. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest   #1208 Posted July 21, 2017 So Midland Mainline will not now be electrified, I guess that's partly due to HS2 trains running through Sheffield??  I'm surprised no-one else picked up on this. I don't understand the need for HS2 if the line is electrified. 2hr to London from Sheffield right now is not a great deal and it'd be less than that when electrified. People spend longer than that commuting into London every day.  As for the bridge over the station, well maybe if more train managers did their jobs and actually checked tickets they'd get more revenue from people not paying. The only other solution would be to sort the main/parcel/whatever bridge to be the bridge to get to platforms and just make the current one go straight through. I remember they did this when they were refurbishing the station many years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Chez2   10 #1209 Posted July 21, 2017 I'm surprised no-one else picked up on this. I don't understand the need for HS2 if the line is electrified. 2hr to London from Sheffield right now is not a great deal and it'd be less than that when electrified. People spend longer than that commuting into London every day. As for the bridge over the station, well maybe if more train managers did their jobs and actually checked tickets they'd get more revenue from people not paying. The only other solution would be to sort the main/parcel/whatever bridge to be the bridge to get to platforms and just make the current one go straight through. I remember they did this when they were refurbishing the station many years ago.  I'm not exactly sure what your point is, perhaps I've misunderstood. HS2 is about increasing capacity and expanding infrastructure not cutting the time between Sheffield and London. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
samssong   10 #1210 Posted July 21, 2017 I'm not exactly sure what your point is, perhaps I've misunderstood. HS2 is about increasing capacity and expanding infrastructure not cutting the time between Sheffield and London. HS2 is about supporters of the tories and their cohorts trousering millions of pounds . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Annie Bynnol   596 #1211 Posted July 21, 2017 I'm surprised no-one else picked up on this. I don't understand the need for HS2 if the line is electrified. 2hr to London from Sheffield right now is not a great deal and it'd be less than that when electrified. People spend longer than that commuting into London every day. As for the bridge over the station, well maybe if more train managers did their jobs and actually checked tickets they'd get more revenue from people not paying. The only other solution would be to sort the main/parcel/whatever bridge to be the bridge to get to platforms and just make the current one go straight through. I remember they did this when they were refurbishing the station many years ago.  As you may have heard the electrification will not take place. Current journey times were already due to increase because of timetable and speed restrictions south of Bedford. The Government are correct in saying that the new Bi modes will reduce journey times but only between Nottingham and London where they replace 40year old HSTs. Elsewhere an electric train carrying its own generator and fuel will have no advantage over the present trains. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest   #1212 Posted July 22, 2017 I'm not exactly sure what your point is, perhaps I've misunderstood. HS2 is about increasing capacity and expanding infrastructure not cutting the time between Sheffield and London.  But aren't they trying to shove HS2 down the same lines into Midland Station or to build another line? You sometimes already have to wait to get into the station. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...