ghost rider   10 #205 Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) Why does the Victoria hotel have to be destroyed to make way for it ,could it not be incorporated into it.What about the 30 mph freight trains that use that line as well that go to stocksbridge steel works.I have heard that it will only shave about 12 minutes off the journey time to London from Sheffield.It seems like a lot of money for just 12 minutes.I think its all a gimmick just to create jobs it will probably all be done by foreigners anyway.  ---------- Post added 25-02-2016 at 20:14 ----------  If politicians had not been so short sighted in the late sixties and had not closed the ex great central line to london we would have already had fast trains to london.It was perfect for high speeds and was far quicker than the midland mainline.We should probably blame Doctor Beeching and Harold Wilson for making the wrong decision.This would have been perfect.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Central_Main_Line Edited February 25, 2016 by ghost rider Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
smiggs   10 #206 Posted February 25, 2016 Are we certain that the Victoria Hotel will be knocked down? The existing plain for the defunct station should be big enough without knocking down the listed elements of the hotel building. I do know that some of the council's layouts and track alignments seem to have been left deliberately vague, they have focused their case of the economic factors which will surely win them the day of anything does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
apelike   10 #207 Posted February 26, 2016 I do know that some of the council's layouts and track alignments seem to have been left deliberately vague, they have focused their case of the economic factors which will surely win them the day of anything does.  The economic factors are also very vague. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Annie Bynnol   596 #208 Posted February 26, 2016 If politicians had not been so short sighted in the late sixties and had not closed the ex great central line to london we would have already had fast trains to london.It was perfect for high speeds and was far quicker than the midland mainline.We should probably blame Doctor Beeching and Harold Wilson for making the wrong decision.This would have been perfect.   Great Central  1951 Conservative government elected.  1958 GC loses mainline status as it was seen to be a duplicate of the MML and its traffic was mainly freight which was in decline.  1960 Last express trains ran from Sheffield/Manchester to London  1961 Beeching becomes Chairman of British Railways Board  1963 Beeching report - objected to by labour  1964 Labour government with Harold Wilson as Prime Minister  1965 Second Beeching report rejected by Labour and Beeching leaves  Beeching and Wilson were not responsible for the demise of the GC but they failed to preserve the route on closure . Would Nottingham and Leicester have put up with long viaducts through their city centres, decaying for 60 years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ANGELFIRE1 Â Â 10 #209 Posted February 26, 2016 Beeching was the biggest vandal in our Railway's history. Â As for HS2, waste of brass. Lord knows the final cost, to save 20 minutes. It must be the most expensive 20 minutes ever recorded. Â Angel1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ricoblade   10 #210 Posted February 26, 2016 One of the feasibility reports specifically recommends not demolishing the RV hotel and incorporating it into the station design a la the Great Northern hotel at KX. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest busdriver1 Â Â #211 Posted February 26, 2016 I love this thread. Wake up! It is going to cause inconvenience to HS2 passengers to have to stop at all at the "City of Sport". but it has been included I would imagine to shut up the locals and give a chance to anybody who MAY want to open a business at an area where there is building land available but without causing too much of a delay to business people travelling to major centres like Leeds. By styling Sheffield as a city of sport they have sent a clear message out. HS2 will not be serving minor villages, Hamlets and small insignificant towns and cities. Be grateful our kids will be able to go to meadowhall with a flask and sandwiches to watch the fast shiny trains going to important places then go to a sporting event on the way home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
geared   267 #212 Posted February 26, 2016 I do know that some of the council's layouts and track alignments seem to have been left deliberately vague, they have focused their case of the economic factors which will surely win them the day of anything does.  That is until someone calculates the extra time it will take to get in and out of the city centre via their route, at which point they'll be told to FRO. or they'll baulk at the extra cost of it.  Either way, it's a non-starter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
SteelCityAle   10 #213 Posted February 26, 2016 it's a very expensive way to save 20 minutes, but what's the bet it'll 'save' an hour against the existing line by then because someone at DaFT will decide the midland mainline service can be 'improved' by stopping every train at all the little shacks like Market Harborough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WalkleyIan   10 #214 Posted February 26, 2016 stopping every train at all the little shacks like Market Harborough.  Ill pass that on to my mate down there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
SteelCityAle   10 #215 Posted February 26, 2016 I'm sure the residents there would be delighted at getting more trains, but from here the best ones are the ones that just stop at Derby and Leicester, getting to London in 2 hours. Came back last Sunday, stopped at every lamp-post, taking 3 hours... tedious, to say the least! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Annie Bynnol   596 #216 Posted February 26, 2016 it's a very expensive way to save 20 minutes, but what's the bet it'll 'save' an hour against the existing line by then because someone at DaFT will decide the midland mainline service can be 'improved' by stopping every train at all the little shacks like Market Harborough.  You are absolutely right because that what they intend to do as planned, as advertised, openly and with the support of the operators and users. No conspiracy here.  The "nimby" continually feed into the media the "speed for wealthy for billions" idea which gets the headlines and still gets repeated on here. They run a very good campaign to protect their interests.  The intention of HS2 plan is to use the capacity released on the MML to offer much needed services and alternatives including more stops at more stations along the route as well as more routes. It is especially important to Sheffield as it puts us in a far more competitive position as the services to Leeds and Manchester are more frequent, faster and more comfortable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...