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Attacking Trump is like giving pain killers to someone with appendicitis. It may help to mask a symptom but it does nothing to deal with the underlying problem. The underlying problem is the extremism disease that infects Islam and unless it is treated then calls to cut out the offending organ (one we can live happily without in the West) will inevitably get louder and gain more support. The irony is that ignoring the symptoms is the worst thing we can do... are there any forummers who actually support doing that?

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How many people contributing to this discussion are aware that Non-Muslims are prohibited from entering Mecca or the majority of Medina?

 

So us Trump only suggesting what Saudi Arabia (arguably the centre of the Islamic world) is already doing?

 

Probably about 90%. You'd have to be even thicker than you, not to know that non- Muslims are not allowed into the small area of Saudi Arabia of which Mecca is the centre. However, non-Muslims, are not banned from Saudi Arabia as a whole. Millions of non-Muslims live in Saudi Arabia. A whole lot. A BIG percentage.. If Saudi was the equivalent of the USA in population, it would amount to over 100 million residents.

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We have to differentiate between Muslims and Islam. Of course I fully agree that the vast majority of Muslims are not hate-filled murderers and go about their lives peacefully, but the fact remains that there must be something in the doctrine of Islam which incites people to commit acts of violence, as almost all terrorist acts are carried out in its name.

 

What is needed is an authoritative interpretation of Islamic scripture by a group of clerics whose pronouncements would carry weight in the Islamic world, and there seems to be no such group. Whereas other religions have central authorities which can oversee doctrine - for example, the Catholic Curia - Islam has no central authority to denounce the teachings of Islamist terror groups as 'un-Islamic', and so seems incapable of reforming itself.

You can't belong to a violant and intolerant ideolagy and expect to be treated differntly to the violance and intolerance members, would we have avoided killing peacefull nazi's just because we had no evidance that they had actualy killed someone, supporters of nazisum were just as culpable as thoses doing the killing. The logicle thing to do if you believe in God is avoid religions or start a new peacfull religion which is fit for the 21st century.

 

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How many people contributing to this discussion are aware that Non-Muslims are prohibited from entering Mecca or the majority of Medina?

 

So us Trump only suggesting what Saudi Arabia (arguably the centre of the Islamic world) is already doing?

 

If they can tell the differnce between non muslims and muslims how is it the some memebrs on here don't think Trump would be able to do the same.

 

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Probably about 90%. You'd have to be even thicker than you, not to know that non- Muslims are not allowed into the small area of Saudi Arabia of which Mecca is the centre. However, non-Muslims, are not banned from Saudi Arabia as a whole. Millions of non-Muslims live in Saudi Arabia. A whole lot. A BIG percentage.. If Saudi was the equivalent of the USA in population, it would amount to over 100 million residents.

 

There is a hadith that reports that the Prophet Mohammed, on his death bed, said that 'no two religions can co-exist' in Arabia, this provided the grounds for Usama bin Ladens claim that the US or the West was 'occupying' the land of the Prophet. There are many who share his view.

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Probably about 90%. You'd have to be even thicker than you, not to know that non- Muslims are not allowed into the small area of Saudi Arabia of which Mecca is the centre. However, non-Muslims, are not banned from Saudi Arabia as a whole. Millions of non-Muslims live in Saudi Arabia. A whole lot. A BIG percentage.. If Saudi was the equivalent of the USA in population, it would amount to over 100 million residents.

 

But non-muslims are not allowed Saudi citizenship so it is hardly relevant. They don't have the right to remain.

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Probably about 90%. You'd have to be even thicker than you, not to know that non- Muslims are not allowed into the small area of Saudi Arabia of which Mecca is the centre. However, non-Muslims, are not banned from Saudi Arabia as a whole. Millions of non-Muslims live in Saudi Arabia. A whole lot. A BIG percentage.. If Saudi was the equivalent of the USA in population, it would amount to over 100 million residents.

 

 

What makes you think I am thick?

 

I would be gob smacked if 90% of people on this thread knew that. Do you have any evidence for this claim or did you just pluck it out of thin air?

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Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic theocracy nor is it a Muslim dominated democracy.

It is therefore difficult to blame Islam for the state of affairs over there.

If there were an election, it might become an Islamic theocracy, but there's really no way to be know.

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What makes you think I am thick?

 

I would be gob smacked if 90% of people on this thread knew that. Do you have any evidence for this claim or did you just pluck it out of thin air?

 

I suspect he is refering to the foreign labour who are allowed into saudi to work, often with very few rights and often confined to squalid camps.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_workers_in_Saudi_Arabia

 

All visitors to Saudi Arabia must have a sponsor, which is usually arranged months in advance.[26] Unlike countries which recognize the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (which declares in part "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own")[27] Saudi Arabia requires foreign workers to have their sponsor's permission to enter and leave the country, and denies exit to those with work disputes pending in court. Sponsors generally confiscate passports while workers are in the country; sometimes employers also hold passports of workers' family members.[

 

They are not allowed Saudi citizenship, and I would imagine most are muslim anyhow.

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Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic theocracy nor is it a Muslim dominated democracy.

It is therefore difficult to blame Islam for the state of affairs over there.

If there were an election, it might become an Islamic theocracy, but there's really no way to be know.

The policy is the result of something said by Mohammed so it is everything to do with islam.

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The guy is a joke. But he's not stupid. I'm sure he knows he has no chance of ever becoming president, but he will form lots of new political contacts during his campaign which will help his business interests out massively long after the dust has settled. Plus all the attention he's getting will be massaging his huge ego beautifully. What a grotesque specimen of a human being in all kinds of ways.:gag:

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Probably about 90%. You'd have to be even thicker than you, not to know that non- Muslims are not allowed into the small area of Saudi Arabia of which Mecca is the centre. However, non-Muslims, are not banned from Saudi Arabia as a whole. Millions of non-Muslims live in Saudi Arabia. A whole lot. A BIG percentage.. If Saudi was the equivalent of the USA in population, it would amount to over 100 million residents.

 

Residents, not citizens. Read: no rights migrant workers.

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How many people contributing to this discussion are aware that Non-Muslims are prohibited from entering Mecca or the majority of Medina?

 

So us Trump only suggesting what Saudi Arabia (arguably the centre of the Islamic world) is already doing?

 

Saudi is a despotic country, run for the benefit of it's rulers. Is Saudi the standard on how we should judge America?

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But non-muslims are not allowed Saudi citizenship so it is hardly relevant. They don't have the right to remain.

 

Try getting a Japanese passport or Korean or Filipino of any of dozens of other nationalities, if you are not ethnic Japanese, etc. You lot don't know a lot, about how the wide world works.And that is why UKIP is losing votes.

 

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You are selective, like Donald Trump, on who you pick on. People are going to notice. That's why you, and him, áre going to be slaughtered at the polls.

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