Are there any Forummers who actually support Mr Trump?

[Jeffrey Shaw 90]

Muhammad and his 4 successors paid a massive role in ensuring non Muslims lived in peace and unharmed.

It's great news that Moslems no longer hate and kill Jews and esp. those in Israel, isn't it.

[hauxwell 243]

As I understand it MI5 are breaking up planned attacks virtually every month.

 

Then I think we should be very proud of all those who work to keep this country safe.

[betterman 10]

Liar.

No such words were ever spoken and all authenticated reports have no mention of this.

 

You're clearly an ill informed and rabid anti Muslim who runs to anti Islamic sites and thinks he had cracked Islam.

 

Muhammad and his 4 successors paid a massive role in ensuring non Muslims lived in peace and unharmed.

 

Muhammad's constitution of Medina.

http://www.constitutionofmadina.com

 

Stop spreading lies.

 

I get the feeling you haven't spent much time studying your own religion.

 

Malik's Muwatta, Chapter no: 45, Book of Madina Hadith no: 18

 

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula." Malik said that Ibn Shihab said, ''Umar ibn al-Khattab searched for information about that until he was absolutely convinced that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, had said, 'Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula,' and he therefore expelled the jews from Khaybar."

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[Jeffrey Shaw 90]

Then I think we should be very proud of all those who work to keep this country safe.

Yes. In this case, no news is certainly good news!

[I1L2T3 10]

Your opinion is backed by speculation, my opinion is backed by speculation. You might be right and I might be right, thats the thing with predicting the future, no one realy knows.

 

Census figures show almost a tenth of babies and toddlers in England and Wales are Muslim – nearly twice the proportion in the general population

 

Between 2001 and 2009 the Muslim population increased almost 10 times faster than the non-Muslim population.

They are disproportionately more likely to be unemployed, they are the least productive members of scociety, disproportionately more likely to be imprisoned and more likey than any other group to commit terrorist acts.

 

No, mine is backed by facts. Read the link.

 

You are correct to point to issues we have with certain sections of our community. We shouldn't hide from those challenges.

 

This is where Labour clearly got things wrong by promoting the social strengthening of immigrant communities while not promoting economic opportunity and education adequately. There is nothing wrong with allowing distinct communities to exist but when they don't have the same economic opportunity and success as everyone else then problems will arise. Economic inclusion is the key to solving a lot of the issues IMO. Once people have success, decent housing, decent jobs, decent education and can see a future for their children then their focus tends to shift. That's our challenge as a country, to not create more hate and division on both sides but to find a way to come together.

[mafya 248]

It's great news that Moslems no longer hate and kill Jews and esp. those in Israel, isn't it.

 

Maybe Israel should stop stealing land and killing unarmed Palestinian children first......

[I1L2T3 10]

Maybe Israel should stop stealing land and killing unarmed Palestinian children first......

 

That's a whole other topic for a different thread. stay on topic.

 

We might not all be agreeing on this thread but it is good natured and it is helpful to hear all the other points of view.

 

Let's not spoil it.

[astrols 10]

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It is not clearly possible.

 

It may be possible, but then so is Prince Charles having a sex change and moving into a council flat in Rotherham with the Proclaimers. It simply isn't going to happen so stop fantasying.

 

It would be really interesting if you could explain why this could not happen?We were all Catholics once and were 'encouraged' to become Christians?

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[unbeliever 10]

Maybe Israel should stop stealing land and killing unarmed Palestinian children first......

 

Israel is hardly blameless in these matters, but...

 

Who stole the land first?

Surely the land in question was part of the UN mandate for Palestine, which was then illegally annexed by the Arab League in 1948, and only taken by Israel in the 1967 war and not this time annexed.

 

There are plenty of dead children on both sides.

I've never known the Israelis to strap a bomb one of their children and then send him onto a bus full their enemy's children.

[betterman 10]

No, mine is backed by facts. Read the link.

 

You are correct to point to issues we have with certain sections of our community. We shouldn't hide from those challenges.

 

This is where Labour clearly got things wrong by promoting the social strengthening of immigrant communities while not promoting economic opportunity and education adequately. There is nothing wrong with allowing distinct communities to exist but when they don't have the same economic opportunity and success as everyone else then problems will arise. Economic inclusion is the key to solving a lot of the issues IMO. Once people have success, decent housing, decent jobs, decent education and can see a future for their children then their focus tends to shift. That's our challenge as a country, to not create more hate and division on both sides but to find a way to come together.

The facts are that at current trends birth rates, imigration, converstion rates, and migration ratss of non muslims from the UK, the UK will be majority Muslim within 50 years.

 

The speculation is that it won't because birth rates will drop, conversion will drop and imigration will drop. They might but that is simply specualtion.

 

I don't hide from the chalange, I confront it head on and people like you don't like it.

 

So its everyone elses fault that Muslims are less likley to be employed and more likley to be in prison, it couldnt possibly be anthing to with Islam.

[I1L2T3 10]

The facts are that at current trends birth rates, imigration, converstion rates, and migration ratss of non muslims from the UK, the UK will be majority Muslim within 50 years.

 

The speculation is that it won't because birth rates will drop, conversion will drop and imigration will drop. They might but that is simply specualtion.

 

I don't hide from the chalange, I confront it head on and people like you don't like it.

 

So its everyone elses fault that Muslims are less likley to be employed and more likley to be in prison, it couldnt possibly be anthing to with Islam.

 

No it is not a fact that based on those trends we will be majority Muslim by 2050

 

Read the link I posted for the facts.

 

The UK population is set to increase to 75 million by 2050. We have under 3 million Muslims now. We'd need another 35 million Muslims for a majority. Seriously it isn't going to happen. Stop worrying.

 

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It would be really interesting if you could explain why this could not happen?We were all Catholics once and were 'encouraged' to become Christians?

 

So you are arguing we will have mass conversion of tens of millions of Brits to Islam. It is not going to happen.

[betterman 10]

No it is not a fact that based on those trends we will be majority Muslim by 2050

 

Read the link I posted for the facts.

 

The UK population is set to increase to 75 million by 2050. We have under 3 million Muslims now. We'd need another 35 million Muslims for a majority. Seriously it isn't going to happen. Stop worrying.

 

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So you are arguing we will have mass conversion of tens of millions of Brits to Islam. It is not going to happen.

 

The link doesn't contain facts it contains specualtion.

 

The Muslims population has more than doubled every decade for the last 5 decades, double 3,000,000 each decade for the next 5 decades and you get 96,000,000.

 

At the same time the white Britsh population is in decline.