taxman   12 #61 Posted September 29, 2015 I am a little puzzled as to why people want an area to stay rundown and unloved instead of being improved.If people want to spend their money renovating an area and bringing new life to it then why is this a bad thing.Stocksbridge is having a new shopping and leisure village built which I will be glad to see instead of the rundown shops that we have at the moment.I haven't seen anybody protesting about it in Stocksbridge,i think most of us are looking forward to getting more upmarket shops.I appreciate that there are a lot of people who cannot afford to pay £2.50 for a coffee or £4.00 for a toastie but there are a lot of people who do want to.We can surely not have segregated areas with signs saying poor people this side wealthier people the other side.Thats even more demeaning and offensive to the less well off.  As long as there's choice I don't see a problem. But what seems to happening in parts of London is that rents are being forced up because the area is becoming more popular therefore those people who are brought up in the area can no longer afford to live there. It sounds like places like Padstow in Cornwall that attract holiday cottage owners who can buy up the property that locals can't afford to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
I1L2T3   10 #62 Posted September 29, 2015 Is anyone else a little disappointed that the thread isn't about ants being gentrified? Sounds like another species of wildlife from up Alc's end of town  I'm definitely not getting the title fixed now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ghost rider   10 #63 Posted September 29, 2015 As long as there's choice I don't see a problem. But what seems to happening in parts of London is that rents are being forced up because the area is becoming more popular therefore those people who are brought up in the area can no longer afford to live there. It sounds like places like Padstow in Cornwall that attract holiday cottage owners who can buy up the property that locals can't afford to.  I do not think that there is a lot that can be done about that.Stopping people from buying homes as investments is the only way to stop that but what government is going to be brave enough to do that.I do not even think Jeremy Corbyn would consider doing that.Holiday makers keep places like Padstow going.We cannot earmark areas as only for people born there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
gwhite78   10 #64 Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Yes you can. You are incontravertibly wrong.  No you're incontrovertibly wrong. I was born and raised in north London and still regularly visit. You cannot get traditional eastend grub at reasonable prices in Shoreditch. The next nearest place would probably be Walthamstow - where even the dog track is now been converted into luxury apartments!  ---------- Post added 29-09-2015 at 22:10 ----------  I am a little puzzled as to why people want an area to stay rundown and unloved instead of being improved.If people want to spend their money renovating an area and bringing new life to it then why is this a bad thing.Stocksbridge is having a new shopping and leisure village built which I will be glad to see instead of the rundown shops that we have at the moment.I haven't seen anybody protesting about it in Stocksbridge,i think most of us are looking forward to getting more upmarket shops.I appreciate that there are a lot of people who cannot afford to pay £2.50 for a coffee or £4.00 for a toastie but there are a lot of people who do want to.We can surely not have segregated areas with signs saying poor people this side wealthier people the other side.Thats even more demeaning and offensive to the less well off.  Gentrification doesn't create wealth, it just moves it.  How you would feel if your neighbourhood improved and then was forced out of your home because middle class Guardianist want it? Edited September 29, 2015 by gwhite78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Hots on   10 #65 Posted September 29, 2015 Ant gentrification. https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/40/88694876_39680c8635_b.jpg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
gwhite78 Â Â 10 #66 Posted September 29, 2015 I do not think that there is a lot that can be done about that.Stopping people from buying homes as investments is the only way to stop that but what government is going to be brave enough to do that.I do not even think Jeremy Corbyn would consider doing that.Holiday makers keep places like Padstow going.We cannot earmark areas as only for people born there. Â A lot of the new apartments in London are also bought by people from abroad and left empty most of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ghost rider   10 #67 Posted September 29, 2015 No you're incontrovertibly wrong. I was born and raised in north London and still regularly visit. You cannot get traditional eastend grub at reasonable prices in Shoreditch. The next nearest place would probably be Walthamstow - where even the dog track is now been converted into luxury apartments! ---------- Post added 29-09-2015 at 22:10 ----------   Gentrification doesn't create wealth, it just moves it.  How you would feel if your neighbourhood improved and then was forced out of your home because middle class Guardianist want it? If somebody is willing to pay me more than its worth I will snatch their hands off.I do actually live in a middle class area if I am honest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WiseOwl182   10 #68 Posted September 29, 2015 No you're incontrovertibly wrong. I was born and raised in north London and still regularly visit. You cannot get traditional eastend grub at reasonable prices in Shoreditch. The next nearest place would probably be Walthamstow - where even the dog track is now been converted into luxury apartments! ---------- Post added 29-09-2015 at 22:10 ----------   Gentrification doesn't create wealth, it just moves it.  How you would feel if your neighbourhood improved and then was forced out of your home because middle class Guardianist want it?   Middle class Telegraph areas are better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
gwhite78 Â Â 10 #69 Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) If somebody is willing to pay me more than its worth I will snatch their hands off.I do actually live in a middle class area if I am honest. Â Most natives (like myself) lived in social housing which was sold off by various london borough councils and housing associations under the guise of Urban Renewal. Which is in fact Urban Removal. Many clauses meant we was forced out into private accommodation we couldn't afford. However some council tenants did buy their property and make a quick buck, but even with council discounts most properties are unaffordable to most working class people. Â London is fast becoming a playground for the wealthy, the mix of tenures in different areas is what made London socially diverse, interesting and vibrant. We might see change when migrants are now longer willing to live in 12 to a room and do jobs for yuppies such as clean the toilets, serve them coffee, drive the buses etc etc.... Edited September 29, 2015 by gwhite78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchresearch   214 #70 Posted September 30, 2015 Ant gentrification. https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/40/88694876_39680c8635_b.jpg  That's awesome! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
woodmally   10 #71 Posted October 5, 2015 So the scumbags have targetted tourism now.  So they dont want businesses to come to the area. They dont want tourists so they want to live in a slum.  http://news.sky.com/story/1563488/class-war-justifies-serial-killer-museum-protest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
slordy71   10 #72 Posted October 5, 2015 So the scumbags have targetted tourism now. So they dont want businesses to come to the area. They dont want tourists so they want to live in a slum.  http://news.sky.com/story/1563488/class-war-justifies-serial-killer-museum-protest  class war is jealousy pure and simple, fed by the entitlement culture that was born under labour . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...