Parking on Broken yellow lines/ wrong ticket issued

[Blackbeard 10]

If pictures were taken whilst car is in situ. Surely all will be ok?

 

Good to see you managed to get enough posts to post your Zoo tickets for sale.

[Planner1 438]

I was wondering that, as someone working for the Parking service can hardly be classed as reasonable, as their main reason to exist is to bring in as much cash as possible through fines...

 

Parking Services have a separate appeals team who are not part of the enforcement setup. Believe it or not, they do try to be fair within the regulations and they do allow a lot of appeals. They deal with the first two stages of the appeals process. If they feel CEO's are enforcing on something they shouldn't, feedback is given to the enforcement team which they take on board. The CEO's have a handbook which has guidance on many issues and covers things like when a yellow line is and is not enforceable. If Parking Services report a worn line to Amey, it's usually repainted within a few days.

 

The third stage of the appeals process is head by an independent adjudicator from the Traffic Penalty Tribunal. Using the evidence supplied by both sides, they would base their judgement on what they feel a reasonable person should have noted from the lines visible on site.

 

The majority of Parking Services income is not from fines, it's pay and display income.

[bessmeg 10]

I do hope you right about the "fair" I was recently given a ticket which I am appealing, I was "loading " parked on. A pavement down Hillsborough on a Sunday, within 30 seconds I was issued a ticket! I think the warden was fully aware I was there , was within 10 yards of car! How ever I was shown a very small sign saying I could not park there (around 12 ft up a lamppost) I accept they have a difficult job, but I found this" person" most unreasonable, I did ask him where I could load , his advice seemed far more illegal, and dangerous! In which I checked on later and found out , having took his advice, he would have clearly been able to ticket me again!(sadly I had been told previously some months before by one of his colleagues I could load where I was sadly I should have kept his number /details) The signs may be new? The business owner who has been there 3 years was completely unaware of them,,Again I accept a difficult job and a job that needs to be done, but a job that should be done with good manners humidity, and respect, I do hope I made the wardens day, in the way I responded to him, think he did kind of feel a bit sneaky and guilty,

Maybe next time he will give a bit of goodwill, Maybe next time, I might choose to deal with him in the manner of several passers by ! Sadly on this occasion I think there response to his manner and respectfully how he went about his job was far more fitting! Will let you know how my appeal goes! On my first parking ticket in 32 years, please note the pavement I parked on was 3 cars wide, i.e. I don't want anyone to think I was posing a danger to pedestrians or blocking there way, the reason I parked there is because it didn't block pedestrians, motorists, trams, buses etc , i.e. it was a" reasonable "place to park not dangerous, but clearly now against the law, I was not aware of the poorly placed signs,

 

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I do hope you right about the "fair" I was recently given a ticket which I am appealing, I was "loading " parked on. A pavement down Hillsborough on a Sunday, within 30 seconds I was issued a ticket! I think the warden was fully aware I was there , was within 10 yards of car! How ever I was shown a very small sign saying I could not park there (around 12 ft up a lamppost) I accept they have a difficult job, but I found this" person" most unreasonable, I did ask him where I could load , his advice seemed far more illegal, and dangerous! In which I checked on later and found out , having took his advice, he would have clearly been able to ticket me again!(sadly I had been told previously some months before by one of his colleagues I could load where I was sadly I should have kept his number /details) The signs may be new? The business owner who has been there 3 years was completely unaware of them,,Again I accept a difficult job and a job that needs to be done, but a job that should be done with good manners humidity, and respect, I do hope I made the wardens day, in the way I responded to him, think he did kind of feel a bit sneaky and guilty,

Maybe next time he will give a bit of goodwill, Maybe next time, I might choose to deal with him in the manner of several passers by ! Sadly on this occasion I think there response to his manner and respectfully how he went about his job was far more fitting! Will let you know how my appeal goes! On my first parking ticket in 32 years, please note the pavement I parked on was 3 cars wide, i.e. I don't want anyone to think I was posing a danger to pedestrians or blocking there way, the reason I parked there is because it didn't block pedestrians, motorists, trams, buses etc , i.e. it was a" reasonable "place to park not dangerous, but clearly now against the law, I was not aware of the poorly placed signs,

[syne 10]

Parking Services have a separate appeals team who are not part of the enforcement setup. Believe it or not, they do try to be fair within the regulations and they do allow a lot of appeals. They deal with the first two stages of the appeals process. If they feel CEO's are enforcing on something they shouldn't, feedback is given to the enforcement team which they take on board. The CEO's have a handbook which has guidance on many issues and covers things like when a yellow line is and is not enforceable. If Parking Services report a worn line to Amey, it's usually repainted within a few days.

 

The third stage of the appeals process is head by an independent adjudicator from the Traffic Penalty Tribunal. Using the evidence supplied by both sides, they would base their judgement on what they feel a reasonable person should have noted from the lines visible on site.

 

The majority of Parking Services income is not from fines, it's pay and display income.

 

Any chance of getting the relevant portion of the handbook posted up? Surely that would help settle peoples perception of the way they ticket for this offence.

 

Also if the op put the picture up we could all pass a reasoned armchair judgement.

[Mikes10 10]

For anyone with a passing interest in this topic: Enter 'faded double yellow lines' in

your favourite search engine or click the following link: (Very amusing!)

 

https://goo.gl/rTfwP3

 

 

Anyone wanting to read the latest 'Traffic Sign Regulations (2016)' click the following link:

 

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/pdfs/uksi_20160362_en.pdf

[Planner1 438]

I do hope you right about the "fair" I was recently given a ticket which I am appealing, I was "loading " parked on. A pavement down Hillsborough on a Sunday, within 30 seconds I was issued a ticket! I think the warden was fully aware I was there , was within 10 yards of car! How ever I was shown a very small sign saying I could not park there (around 12 ft up a lamppost) I accept they have a difficult job, but I found this" person" most unreasonable, I did ask him where I could load , his advice seemed far more illegal, and dangerous! In which I checked on later and found out , having took his advice, he would have clearly been able to ticket me again!(sadly I had been told previously some months before by one of his colleagues I could load where I was sadly I should have kept his number /details) The signs may be new? The business owner who has been there 3 years was completely unaware of them,,Again I accept a difficult job and a job that needs to be done, but a job that should be done with good manners humidity, and respect, I do hope I made the wardens day, in the way I responded to him, think he did kind of feel a bit sneaky and guilty,

Maybe next time he will give a bit of goodwill, Maybe next time, I might choose to deal with him in the manner of several passers by ! Sadly on this occasion I think there response to his manner and respectfully how he went about his job was far more fitting! Will let you know how my appeal goes! On my first parking ticket in 32 years, please note the pavement I parked on was 3 cars wide, i.e. I don't want anyone to think I was posing a danger to pedestrians or blocking there way, the reason I parked there is because it didn't block pedestrians, motorists, trams, buses etc , i.e. it was a" reasonable "place to park not dangerous, but clearly now against the law, I was not aware of the poorly placed signs,

 

As an experienced motorist who has read and understood the Highway Code, you should know that you shouldn't park on the footway at all unless it's explicitly permitted:

 

The Highway Code rule 244 says “You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs”.

 

Many waiting restrictions, like double or single yellow lines or clearways apply to the whole of the highway (and sometimes beyond). That means they apply to footways and verges.

 

You haven't said where exactly you were parked or specified the restriction you contravened, so it's difficult to comment, but, some restrictions, like clearways, mean you get an instant ticket if you stop. There is no grace period or observation period.

 

The signs used for any restriction are those prescribed by the government signing regulations, which local authorities must follow. The government specify all aspects of the sign, including size, text, colour and mounting height. They are mounted at that height to ensure you don't hit your head on them!

 

If you have a complaint about the conduct of the CEO, you can make it through the council's formal complaints procedure. Here's the link: https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/how-to-contact-us/complaint.html If you want to do it on line, click the link on the page for "Complain online about any other service". It will be investigated by a manager and you can ask a more senior manager to review it if you are still dissatisfied with the outcome.

[Guest]

define a reasonable person please-

 

Someone that doesn't partake in debate on Sheffield Forum.

[Mighty Clean 10]

A lot of silly answers and a lot of constructive answers...to those saying yellow lines are yellow lines you are wrong and this much i have learned and when i emailed Sheffield council to demonstrate through images a faded legal line and a faded non legal line they refuse to answer or ignore the email why? because they will not respond impartially if they know you have a case against them as they search your email address prior to a response and then respond if they can even be bothered which i think is wrong as a email address can belong to a business or group user not a individual.

 

Sheffield City council operator Ellie looked at my photo and agreed that it wasn't substantial but she said and i quote they will still argue it. this also said outside bramwell lane there are double yellows on john street with no closure on the end hence non conforming!! free football parking!! and outside there very own office on the moor in the HMRC building there are equally faded double yellow lines that run into a official pay and display bay and directly on the corner entrance to the hotel loading area!! so do 2 wrongs make a right? one idiot I noticed posted with reference to a drunk person but then know the facts before making a statement so ridiculous as its people like this who suffer and bow to poor regulations making fat cats fatter. I have a friend in London who is a active traffic warden who to tells me that the PCN should not be upheld and is aiding my case. so any more comparisons would be appreciated...clever dicks please just observe

[mafya 250]

A lot of silly answers and a lot of constructive answers...to those saying yellow lines are yellow lines you are wrong and this much i have learned and when i emailed Sheffield council to demonstrate through images a faded legal line and a faded non legal line they refuse to answer or ignore the email why? because they will not respond impartially if they know you have a case against them as they search your email address prior to a response and then respond if they can even be bothered which i think is wrong as a email address can belong to a business or group user not a individual.

 

Sheffield City council operator Ellie looked at my photo and agreed that it wasn't substantial but she said and i quote they will still argue it. this also said outside bramwell lane there are double yellows on john street with no closure on the end hence non conforming!! free football parking!! and outside there very own office on the moor in the HMRC building there are equally faded double yellow lines that run into a official pay and display bay and directly on the corner entrance to the hotel loading area!! so do 2 wrongs make a right? one idiot I noticed posted with reference to a drunk person but then know the facts before making a statement so ridiculous as its people like this who suffer and bow to poor regulations making fat cats fatter. I have a friend in London who is a active traffic warden who to tells me that the PCN should not be upheld and is aiding my case. so any more comparisons would be appreciated...clever dicks please just observe

 

My bold=

You are coming across as one yourself..

[bessmeg 10]

Planner 1, as a experience motorist I have admit by knowledge of the highway code is nowhere near your level, although I think it is above average, but was sadly lacking in this case,

It was a urban Clearway even when shown, sadly I though that even applied to the road only my mistake.

However my point is sadly on the advice of a warden "1" Maybe a year ago who should know that's why I asked him if I could unload there, , I have been ticketed by warden "2"

On wardens "2" advice, unless I had checked up I could have even ticketed by warden "3" unless I cleverly check up myself!

Warden 2 advised me to park on double yellow (which is ok! I was not aware!) But this position was within 10 yards of a junction, would have clearly obstructed of motorists, been a danger to pedestrians blocking there view on a dropped kurb area to aid disabled crossing (the only reason I checked is because I wouldn't have dreamed of parking there and could believe I could!)

I am aware with a wardens permission you can unload a" anywhere" make sure you have their number etc

So sadly I was given bad advice by people who should know and who I specifically asked as unsure, HELP!

My next point is although clearly now I was parked in a wrong area , it could not be deemed as obstructive or dangerous ,given the location, if it had been in any way so I would have accepted the ticket gracefully!

Clearly the warden could have in this case could have approached me and informed me using common sense and humanity,

I accept they have a difficult job to do, but clearly I am not the only one who is sadly lacking information ( but if it was my job ....),

So more training for wardens I think, and maybe better advertised info for us commoners!

I have much respect for wardens and the difficult job they do, sadly after meeting this individual due to his manner , this much is much less, not very big of me I know! To quote a passer by " get a proper job" sadly mate you are wrong he's got a proper job, " you bleep bleep bleep" sadly mate in the case of this individual , and manner in which he conducted himself you maybe right??

You are a" public servant" good manners and politeness cost nothing, take a lesson from the bloke you gave the ticket to! Cheers!

Planner1 please keep giving you knowledgeable advise to all much appreciated

[Mighty Clean 10]

If anyone receives a ticket on Sheffields poorly maintained roads including markings reflecting restrictions challenge them I today have challenged mine in a face to face hearing and win hands down and over the weeks running upto this I've noticed bus gates, give way markings, outside schools hardly seen no stopping zig zags seriously faded which of course doesn't help the children there suppose to protect in the area through poor management of our tax's and road tax paid to Sheffield city council. The council submit and stupidly amount of wasted paper in a mini bible format to try and over power you and bully you into paying as your going to lose tactic well no there wrong and so is there attitude towards maintenance of road markings and so I sent a equally length document submitting my case to show not only from the councils own evidence was incorrect but also that there photos supported there own case to be fowl play so if anyone else falls fowl of a parking ticket on a poorly managed road there's a lot of criteria and under knowledge that can aid in having it voided but beware there's a lot of old wife's tales too. If anyone needs my advise or help let me know in more than happy to help.. Equally why not report using the councils free online reporting your streets road markings if they need a fresh lick of paint and modernise your own neighbourhood roads as the council would rather keep the budgets to a minimum spend to protect there executives huge pensions and pay packs... So if anyone out there received a ticket pre September 2015 from Granville road contest it based on my case and claim back what's yours

[alchresearch 215]

I've noticed bus gates, give way markings, outside schools hardly seen no stopping zig zags seriously faded which of course doesn't help the children there suppose to protect

 

While you do have a point to some degree, at some stage you have to use common sense and not be a muppet and park on zig zags or outside schools just because they're faded.

 

If people need markings to tell them to give way or identify a bus gate then I wonder if they should be driving.