tasha_78_1 Â Â 10 #109 Posted September 6, 2015 As a not long retired NHS employee ( in a position where I gave direct care to patients in a critical setting) can anyone tell me when employees such as me would be given the time to do these classes. During non-existent lunch breaks, which when they did exist are only 30 minutes? At the end of a shift, which should have been 8 hours, but often expanded to 9 or 10, and then I just wanted to go home, sleep and then return next day to do the same again? Sometimes, I didn`t even have time for a loo break! Sorry, but just not practical. It will never work. As for going to work when ill, we could have been half dying and still expected to come in to work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
bigsexydoug   10 #110 Posted September 6, 2015 As a not long retired NHS employee ( in a position where I gave direct care to patients in a critical setting) can anyone tell me when employees such as me would be given the time to do these classes. During non-existent lunch breaks, which when they did exist are only 30 minutes? At the end of a shift, which should have been 8 hours, but often expanded to 9 or 10, and then I just wanted to go home, sleep and then return next day to do the same again? Sometimes, I didn`t even have time for a loo break! Sorry, but just not practical. It will never work. As for going to work when ill, we could have been half dying and still expected to come in to work  No idea when you are going to do them, and I don't doubt that you were genuinely working when ill, but would you rather see this money allocated to patient care instead of zumba classes ? Doesn't it just seem a daft idea when the nhs is crying out for investment ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
altus   515 #111 Posted September 6, 2015 A good article in the Observer/Guardian today on this: Homeopathy or a horse on the NHS? Only one is rational.  Anyone who values evidence based medicine who is thinking of voting for Jeremy Corbyn should read it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Daven   10 #112 Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) As a not long retired NHS employee ( in a position where I gave direct care to patients in a critical setting) can anyone tell me when employees such as me would be given the time to do these classes. During non-existent lunch breaks, which when they did exist are only 30 minutes? At the end of a shift, which should have been 8 hours, but often expanded to 9 or 10, and then I just wanted to go home, sleep and then return next day to do the same again? Sometimes, I didn`t even have time for a loo break! Sorry, but just not practical. It will never work. As for going to work when ill, we could have been half dying and still expected to come in to work  Congratulations on your retirement ! I know exactly where you are coming from. At the beginning of a stressful shift you hit the ground running and dare not slow down - it's like being on a hamster wheel. I often work my 8 hour (usually more like 9 or more) without a break or a toilet break. It's no wonder nurses get sick - I don't get a toilet break but since I go without a drink never mind something to eat I guess a toilet break is not often required . The NHS runs on the goodwill and dedication of it's staff. Take that away and it would cease to exist. Edited September 6, 2015 by Daven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #113 Posted September 6, 2015 No idea when you are going to do them, and I don't doubt that you were genuinely working when ill, but would you rather see this money allocated to patient care instead of zumba classes ? Doesn't it just seem a daft idea when the nhs is crying out for investment ?  NOT IF IT SAVES MORE MONEY THAN IT COSTS.  Why can't you understand this simple concept?  ---------- Post added 06-09-2015 at 19:24 ----------  Anything that your employer wants doing that you are capable of doing.  So you can't actually give an example then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RickyM Â Â 10 #114 Posted September 6, 2015 Why not just pull a sickie for a few days at a time then return to work for a day and then pull a few more sickies claiming you 'aren't well enough to come back'? Â I've pulled loads of sickie and gone for days out.........everyone does it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
bigsexydoug   10 #115 Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) NOT IF IT SAVES MORE MONEY THAN IT COSTS. Why can't you understand this simple concept?  ---------- Post added 06-09-2015 at 19:24 ----------   So you can't actually give an example then?  Because it's nothing more than a concept ! Yet there is proof in the private sector what actually works ! And it's a 5 million pounds concept/gamble that could be used to actually save real lives save people's eyesight and change thousands of lives. Not to mention a poster has already said a scheme like this but with yoga has already been tried and failed. Why are you so desperate to gamble the nhs money away when the proof already exists what works ! Edited September 6, 2015 by bigsexydoug Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #116 Posted September 7, 2015 There is plenty of proof that healthier staff take less time off due to illness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
adrea   10 #117 Posted September 7, 2015 NOT IF IT SAVES MORE MONEY THAN IT COSTS. Why can't you understand this simple concept?  ---------- Post added 06-09-2015 at 19:24 ----------   So you can't actually give an example then?  I gave one but I could give plenty.  ---------- Post added 07-09-2015 at 09:23 ----------  There is plenty of proof that healthier staff take less time off due to illness.  That's got to be the most obvious point anyone as ever made, and no one disputes it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Daven   10 #118 Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) Why not just pull a sickie for a few days at a time then return to work for a day and then pull a few more sickies claiming you 'aren't well enough to come back'? I've pulled loads of sickie and gone for days out.........everyone does it.  Because in the NHS we have something called the Bradford Score - the more times you are off sick regardless of how long you are off sick the higher the score. http://www.icalculator.info/hr/bradford_factor_calculator.html Everyone doesn't take sickies - I don't because I have a conscience and actually care about my colleagues and the effect my absence will have on the standard of care that can be given to our patients. As I have said previously - the NHS runs on the goodwill and dedication of it's staff at all levels. Edited September 7, 2015 by Daven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman   10 #119 Posted September 8, 2015  I've pulled loads of sickie and gone for days out.........everyone does it.  Errr.. no we don't.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tasha_78_1   10 #120 Posted September 8, 2015 Why not just pull a sickie for a few days at a time then return to work for a day and then pull a few more sickies claiming you 'aren't well enough to come back'? I've pulled loads of sickie and gone for days out.........everyone does it.  Actually, no, everybody does not do it. I hope you are proud of yourself RickyM and I hope your employer has seen this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...