unbeliever   10 #145 Posted September 2, 2015 We live under the covenant which is given to us in the new testament but it doesn't rule out the old testament as it backs up the new. Ps we use what is known as a long drop !!!( for the toilet in Africa )  Really?  I suspect then that we're in urgent need of a new, new testament to clean up the current new testament  http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
SnailyBoy   10 #146 Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) We live under the covenant which is given to us in the new testament but it doesn't rule out the old testament as it backs up the new. Ps we use what is known as a long drop !!!( for the toilet in Africa )  How do you decide what to follow from the Old Testament? Edited September 2, 2015 by SnailyBoy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #147 Posted September 2, 2015 How do you decide what to follow from the Old Testement?  It's perfectly obvious. Sound Christians/Jews/Muslims have their own sense of morality outside their religious texts which they use to select the parts of the texts which they accept. The idea that morality emerges from religion is nonsense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #148 Posted September 2, 2015 We live under the covenant which is given to us in the new testament but it doesn't rule out the old testament as it backs up the new. Ps we use what is known as a long drop !!!( for the toilet in Africa )  But that means you get to pick and choose then which bits you want?  So you can ignore the inconvenient bits about clothes with two threads and peas and beans and toilet arrangements?  And you get to the keep the fun bits like downtrodden women, bashing gays and all that?  Seems a bit convenient to me that.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Blackbeard   10 #149 Posted September 2, 2015 If you have not come across this site I recommend you take a look. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sgtkate   10 #150 Posted September 2, 2015 It's perfectly obvious. Sound Christians/Jews/Muslims have their own sense of morality outside their religious texts which they use to select the parts of the texts which they accept. The idea that morality emerges from religion is nonsense.  Absolutely agreed. If you need a book to tell you how to be a good person you have already failed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #151 Posted September 2, 2015 Absolutely agreed. If you need a book to tell you how to be a good person you have already failed.  Wow. We agree on something.  I think morality comes down to serving the greater good. The reason people often disagree about what is moral is for various reasons. 1. What is the community we most want to serve. Family, country, world etc. 2. It's hard to know how best to serve the greater good, and we come to different conclusions about how best to achieve it. 3. Do we focus on the short term? Minimise unhappiness as much as possible right now, or is it better for people to endure some unhappiness now so that they can do much better later.  I'm sure that there are many more considerations.  Reading the wisdom of others, especially that which has stood the test of time, can help us understand how to serve the greater good. Up to a point. However, we should not be putting too much stock in guidance on what serves the greater good which is thousands of years out of date.  We should also be very wary of people who try to con us into thinking we're serving the greater good when we're really serving them. Not everybody has a drive to serve the greater good and such amoral people are a constant hazard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sgtkate   10 #152 Posted September 2, 2015 Wow. We agree on something.  I'm sure we agree on lots of things, but perhaps not on SF Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
teeny   10 #153 Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) How do you decide what to follow from the Old Testament?  study and see https://www.gci.org/law/otl00 i could give you a paraphrase but am not going to as to understand you need to study , if you truly want to know then you will do that Edited September 2, 2015 by teeny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
SnailyBoy   10 #154 Posted September 2, 2015 study and see https://www.gci.org/law/otl00  No, I asked how you decide what to follow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #155 Posted September 2, 2015 study and see https://www.gci.org/law/otl00  How do you decide what to ignore from the new testament? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
teeny   10 #156 Posted September 2, 2015 How do you decide what to ignore from the new testament?  https://www.gci.org/law/otl00  ---------- Post added 02-09-2015 at 15:17 ----------  No, I asked how you decide what to follow.  https://www.gci.org/law/otl00 as i said you want to know then study as this is how we use the old testament Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...