The Bible is a awesome Book even if you dont believe its Gods word

[tinfoilhat 11]

Of course you can, people can and do change all the time.

 

Really? I suppose you can be a reformed thief or murderer but I'm not sure a book will change either.

 

Mind you, and I'm taking apart my own argument, a good number of reformed criminals found God on the inside and come out better people so maybe there is a place for the bible. Or indeed aesops fables.

[Annie Bynnol 612]

I think there are a lot of people think the way you do and with very understandable reasons. This is why

we take the time to run informed factual seminars

(see the link below ) we don't ask anybody to believe that's a personal response, there are solid answers to your bible objections.. Engage and if something is worthwhile it will probably take a little effort.

 

Who are the "we" in we take the time to run informed factual seminars

 

Is this an advert for the Christadelphians?

"Christadelphians know from the Scriptures that the present age of man's dominion is coming to an end."

"The purpose of the return of Christ will be to re-establish the authority of God in the earth."

" Thus will begin the re-education of the peoples of the earth under the new kingdom of God with Christ as King."

"After the resurrection those individuals who have understood the Gospel of God's grace will "appear before the judgment seat of Christ" to receive the reward of their deeds, "whether good or bad"

"Your future depends on your response!"

[RootsBooster 24]

Really? I suppose you can be a reformed thief or murderer but I'm not sure a book will change either.

 

Mind you, and I'm taking apart my own argument, a good number of reformed criminals found God on the inside and come out better people so maybe there is a place for the bible. Or indeed aesops fables.

 

I never claimed a book would change anyone, I'd rather people didn't rely on a book for their morals to be honest.

 

If more logic and reason was taught in schools along with basic human rights and humanitarianism, we would develop greater morals, in my opinion.

[DrNorm 10]

Originally you said people were being 'seduced' into amoral communities, which kinda sounds like it's a bad thing.

 

Yeah, good spot ... there is something I am trying to say there. Let me try again.

 

There are many groups, societies, communities, congregations of people where a moral code and a set of principles are at their heart. But it seems to me that such communities are on the wane and other groups that don't have such a basis are on the rise. Now I'm not saying that all groups must have a moral basis, but there is possibly a bit of a vacuum opening up when fewer and fewer people attempt to live life by a common moral code.

 

The next generation are having to deal with all sorts of issues we never encountered. Cyber bullying, mail order drugs, selfie porn are just 3 issues that come to mind.

 

I don't think we can say to the next generation "If you want to know what's right and wrong, just read the laws of the country as passed by parliament." I don't do that, I'm sure you don't and teenagers sure as heck won't.

 

It worries me a little that some people think we need to rely on a book to tell us what's right and wrong. If you really do need some texts to confirm that rape and slavery is wrong, the 'law' might be a good place to look.

 

You see, I just don't think that's gonna work for all the issues a teenager has to deal with.

[RootsBooster 24]

Yeah, good spot ... there is something I am trying to say there. Let me try again.

 

There are many groups, societies, communities, congregations of people where a moral code and a set of principles are at their heart. But it seems to me that such communities are on the wane and other groups that don't have such a basis are on the rise. Now I'm not saying that all groups must have a moral basis, but there is possibly a bit of a vacuum opening up when fewer and fewer people attempt to live life by a common moral code.

 

The next generation are having to deal with all sorts of issues we never encountered. Cyber bullying, mail order drugs, selfie porn are just 3 issues that come to mind.

 

I don't think we can say to the next generation "If you want to know what's right and wrong, just read the laws of the country as passed by parliament." I don't do that, I'm sure you don't and teenagers sure as heck won't.

 

 

 

You see, I just don't think that's gonna work for all the issues a teenager has to deal with.

 

...see post #89

[DrNorm 10]

If more logic and reason was taught in schools along with basic human rights and humanitarianism, we would develop greater morals, in my opinion.

 

Yes, good, but is it the full answer?

[TJC1 10]

I don't know. Do you know?

 

Yeah, I used to be part of a church. They basically extort it from followers. Call it things like wealth creation. I won't go in to it....

 

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What subsidies do the CoE get from the state?

 

Tax breaks and state funded schools....gift aid.

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[tinfoilhat 11]

Yeah, I used to be part of a church. They basically extort it from followers. Call it things like wealth creation. I won't go in to it....

 

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Tax breaks and state funded schools....gift aid.

 

Are all churches, mosques, temples, synagogues etc like this or is it just some the weird ones?

[flamingjimmy 10]

I wasn't suggesting otherwise, but as [you see]/[it is] a shortcoming of the bible that it lacks any teaching on the immorality of rape and slavery, then any replacement [Aesop's Fables] could be improved by the inclusion of such teachings. Or maybe we can sit back and leave everything to the government?

I don't think the bible needs to be replaced, I think we're fine without one great text to look to. I have more faith in humanity than you clearly, which is odd because I'm kind of a cynic.

 

We're living in the least violent time in human history, more people are educated than ever before, I learned right from wrong from my parents, my teachers, and my peers, and from the culture I consumed in films, books and even videogames. I'm all for getting people to get together and have discussions about right and wrong, but do not see the need for a reference text. Especially one as horribly outdated as the bible, you wouldn't use a 3000 year old book as the one text to teach modern science, or mathematics, so why do it with morals?

 

... and society would be better off with a replacement ... ? Nobody inherits their moral code in their genes, we all learn our morals from somewhere, and like it or not, the source of much of our modern moral code remains ancient holy scriptures.

What? No it doesn't. People didn't go around stealing from everyone and murdering all their neighbors before the 10 commandments.

 

The source of our modern moral code is ourselves.

[TJC1 10]

Are all churches, mosques, temples, synagogues etc like this or is it just some the weird ones?

 

The one I went to did. It's a big one.

 

I'm sure mosques have their ways, hence why they are always building temples every 5 minutes.

 

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I know a lot of people who turned away from the church, they realised it was phony.

 

No reason you can't practice at home. That would be OK.

[bulldog D 10]

Yeah, I used to be part of a church. They basically extort it from followers. Call it things like wealth creation. I won't go in to it....

 

 

You've got my empathies TJC1, I'll point out that in my experience there not all like that. I've heard of various faith organisations that encourage tithes such as 10% of earnings but personally this wouldn't be for me!

[cassity 10]

 

 

 

You see, I just don't think that's gonna work for all the issues a teenager has to deal with.

 

Why not..you have stated that our present moral code is an 'extension' of scripture which I disagree with...even scripture had to be influenced, are you suggesting that all influence derived from religion?.

Present laws dish out justice should you transgress..once the sentence has been delivered and then completed by the perpetrator that's it.

Religious morality taps into the 'afterlife' (ignorance and fear), damnation for eternity or a nice little number at the right of God. The sin of not believing alone will cast you into the bowels of hell. In fact..you can rape, butcher and hump your best friends spouse till you're exhausted as long as you eventually 'believe' at the time of judgement. Our present laws are less dogmatic as those that are laid down by the church...or the 'book'.

 

We've evolved, better educated, more tolerant..and not because of an outdated book. I would hazard to guess most people haven't even read it other than titbits relayed at the odd church meeting at sometime in out lives.