Poor migrants from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan

[Berberis 10]

Such a reliable source.

 

Who me ? ...

[RickyM 10]

this needs a thread on its own I wonder if halibut/mafya will be starting it

 

I doubt halibut would add anything to this thread except the usual 'racist' boring crap.

[Zamo 10]

Re. the italic: What a load of nonsense. Re. what they are called, of course it is relevant, it decides why people are trying to get here. The fact that you think Syrians are NOT in danger just goes to show what sort of apologist you are.

 

Please explain to us then... what danger is a Syrian in when once they are in France, Hungry, Italy, Turkey or Greece? Why would they need asylum in the UK any more than anyone else living in those countries?

[Berberis 10]

What is the reason why the refugees from Syria do not stop in any of the following "safe" countries on route to the UK?

 

Jordan

Sudi Arabia

Bahrain

Qatar

U.A.E

Kewait

Iran

Lebanon

Turkmenistan

Armenia

Georgia

Turkey

Bulgaria

Greece

Romania

Croatia

Serbia

Slovenia

Bosnia and Herzegovina

Czech Republic

Slovakia

Hugary

Moldova

Macedonia

Switzerland

Austria

Poland

Belgium

France

 

In fact, China is closer to Syria than the UK.

Edited September 2, 2015 by Berberis

[chalga 10]

It's damned inconvenient that a lot of refugees are ignoring geography and travelling further than a lot of people want them to come,it's making a lot of people jolly angry when you're living somewhere that should be exempt from putting up with them on grounds of distance and geographical position and they jolly well keep on ignoring that fact.

[L00b 441]

It's damned inconvenient that a lot of refugees are ignoring geography and travelling further than a lot of people want them to come,it's making a lot of people jolly angry when you're living somewhere that should be exempt from putting up with them on grounds of distance and geographical position and they jolly well keep on ignoring that fact.

It's an undeniable fact that it's a problem. A serious one.

 

Not so much in the UK at all currently, considering the numbers involved.

 

But eventually it might, if things continue as they do.

 

Whilst I'm certainly not siding with or succumbing to the argumentative simplicity of the shouty-shout xenophobic crowd, there is legitimacy to the socio-economic self-preservation argument. The EU, and the UK within it, is only just now getting back on its feet -teetering, at that- after the worst financial crisis the developed world has known for close to a century. The economic activity and the associated socio-political means just aren't there to take on millions at this time. Perfect storm.

Edited September 2, 2015 by L00b

[Berberis 10]

It's damned inconvenient that a lot of refugees are ignoring geography and travelling further than a lot of people want them to come,it's making a lot of people jolly angry when you're living somewhere that should be exempt from putting up with them on grounds of distance and geographical position and they jolly well keep on ignoring that fact.

 

It's not inconvenient, its in contradiction of the Geneva conventions that state that those fleeing their country must seek asylum in the 'first safe country' they come to. This is why I asked the question listing all the safe countries these people have travelled through. I suspect the answer to my question is inconvenient to people such as yourself and that is why you ignore it.

 

The UK has been the first safe country for many people in recent history. Just because now we are not does not make us inhospitable or callus. It just means, geography has put us away form the problem parts of the world, for now.

[chalga 10]

It's not inconvenient, its in contradiction of the Geneva conventions that state that those fleeing their country must seek asylum in the 'first safe country' they come to. This is why I asked the question listing all the safe countries these people have travelled through. I suspect the answer to my question is inconvenient to people such as yourself and that is why you ignore it.

 

The UK has been the first safe country for many people in recent history. Just because now we are not does not make us inhospitable or callus. It just means, geography has put us away form the problem parts of the world, for now.

 

That' s exactly what I said,you get down to Greece and start pointing at a map to all these people,tell'em that geography says we don't need to have anything to do with you lot,and a lot of people here are jolly well angry that they have decided not to do what we think they should be doing.........an it's damned inconvenient of them.........downright inconsiderate in fact.

[Berberis 10]

There is also another angle to all of this and that is population density. The UK, disregarding the tiny provinces and small countries (less then 200,000 km²), has the highest population density in the EU. 256 people per km² compared to 233 in Germany, 192 in Italy, 124 in Poland, 111 in France, 100 in Turkey (not in the EU, but part of the transit route) and 92 in Spain.

 

Those who seem to think all countries in the EU are the same and if country X takes 100,000 refugees, that that somehow means the UK should do the same are taking a very simplistic view. A view that will cause more unrest and resentment by the local population.

 

---------- Post added 02-09-2015 at 12:53 ----------

 

That' s exactly what I said,you get down to Greece and start pointing at a map to all these people,tell'em that geography says we don't need to have anything to do with you lot,and a lot of people here are jolly well angry that they have decided not to do what we think they should be doing.........an it's damned inconvenient of them.........downright inconsiderate in fact.

 

I note you still have not answered the question I have posed. Why not stay in any of the countries I have listed?

Edited September 2, 2015 by Berberis
bad English I make

[tinfoilhat 11]

It's damned inconvenient that a lot of refugees are ignoring geography and travelling further than a lot of people want them to come,it's making a lot of people jolly angry when you're living somewhere that should be exempt from putting up with them on grounds of distance and geographical position and they jolly well keep on ignoring that fact.

 

Do you have lots of asylum seekers staying with you at the moment or is it just one or two?

[gomgeg 10]

I see Yvette Cooper is now saying every town, village and borough should be taking in 10 immigrants, and we all need to change our attitudes, WHAT! She's a politician lecturing us on morals, you couldn't make it up, still David Cameron must be having a good laugh, as she's one of the main contenders for the labour leadership the conservatives seem certain to remain in power for the next ten years.

[janie48 97]

I see Yvette Cooper is now saying every town, village and borough should be taking in 10 immigrants, and we all need to change our attitudes, WHAT! She's a politician lecturing us on morals, you couldn't make it up, still David Cameron must be having a good laugh, as she's one of the main contenders for the labour leadership the conservatives seem certain to remain in power for the next ten years.

She said refugees, there's a difference.

And I agree with her.