Britains BIGGEST benefit scrounger

[TJC1 10]

On the whole, bankers and premiership footballers, bloated salaries. Although still proportionate with the value they return for their paymasters.

everyone else, is about on par for output produced. Including public sector.

 

Some are on less than par e.g. nurses

 

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Saw a trader dude earning 3 million per year with citibank just got 14 years. That's greed on an epic scale.

Edited August 4, 2015 by TJC1

[Anna B 1,414]

Absolutely.

In fact, let's just abolish reward for working for better qualifications and for working harder and getting better results.

We should just take all the money in the country and divide it up equally.

All jobs should be assigned randomly I suppose, or just given to the first person to show up.

Doctors for example. No need to go for the best people there, is there? Anybody can do it really. Just show up and somebody will tell you which end of the scalpel to hold. I'm sure anybody can get the hang of MRI machines. There must be a manual somewhere. We can hand out drugs at random, they're all good for you I suppose.

I'm sure it'll all work out.

 

Actually, there is a very successful form of democracy where the politicians are chosen by public lottery from the entire population. Just saying...

 

As for rewarding skills that's fine, but there used to be an algorythm that said the managing director should earn approximately 10 x the lowest paid worker, and people were perfectly happy with that.

 

Also it isn't just about getting qualifications and working hard, it's about who you know and what strings you can pull. These days there is a great deal of jumping on the gravy train, and you know as well as I do that this is happening more and more.

[unbeliever 10]

Actually, there is a very successful form of democracy where the politicians are chosen by public lottery from the entire population. Just saying...

 

What? Where? That's just about the daftest system of government I've ever heard of.

Why not apply the same system to doctors, scientists and airline pilots?

 

Bad leadership of the country can cost us hundreds of billions of pounds. As Gordon Brown spectacularly demonstrated. And you want to pull a randomer off the street to do it. Madness!.

 

As for rewarding skills that's fine, but there used to be an algorythm that said the managing director should earn approximately 10 x the lowest paid worker, and people were perfectly happy with that.

 

People are paid what they're worth. If one person wasn't worth £100k more to the company than another, the company wouldn't pay them that much. They're not that stupid.

 

Also it isn't just about getting qualifications and working hard, it's about who you know and what strings you can pull. These days there is a great deal of jumping on the gravy train, and you know as well as I do that this is happening more and more.

 

Rubbish. I'm sure there are cases, but that's not the way society works as a whole.

Edited August 4, 2015 by unbeliever

[Anna B 1,414]

1. It's a method called 'Sortition' and was commonly in use in early Athenian Greek democracy. It has also been tried elsewhere. We have the remnants of it in our jury system.

 

2. People are demonstrably not paid what they're worth. If shop assistants for example were allowed to vote for their own levels of pay and payrises, as many board members do, they would be earning a heck of a lot more than they are now.

 

3. That is exactly how society works...

[SnailyBoy 10]

1. It's a method called 'Sortition' and was commonly in use in early Athenian Greek democracy. It has also been tried elsewhere. We have the remnants of it in our jury system.

 

2. People are demonstrably not paid what they're worth. If shop assistants for example were allowed to vote for their own levels of pay and payrises, as many board members do, they would be earning a heck of a lot more than they are now.

 

3. That is exactly how society works...

 

Where else has Sortition been tried to elect politicians?

Edited August 4, 2015 by SnailyBoy

[El Cid 220]

Doctors for example. No need to go for the best people there, is there? Anybody can do it really. Just show up and somebody will tell you which end of the scalpel to hold.

 

Doctors are not a good example, because they are some of our most important people, but yet they are not at the top of the money tree.

 

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People are paid what they're worth.

 

Dont company directors set their own pay levels, I would love to be able to do that, I wouldnt be greedy

[Dyke 10]

Had your benefits stopped then.

 

No but these people have ..

 

IDS is not fit to run the DWP .. He is currently refusing to publish details on how many have died relating to their benefit being stopped. His policies have led to alot of deaths and he isn't taking responsibility, as usual.

 

 

A transcript of the discussion:

 

Owen Jones: "There is a point that has to be made about the treatment of disabled people in this country. There's two names I want to give Iain ... Brian McArdle, 57 years old, paralyzed down one side, blind in one eye, he couldn't speak. He died one day after being found "fit for work" by Atos. Another example, Karen Sherlock..."

 

Iain Duncan Smith: [interrupts angrily] "Hang on a minute, we've heard a lot from you...''

 

 

So there you have it !! .. Iain Duncan Smith cares so little about the suffering and death of actual, real, named people that he would disrespectfully interrupt the description of the circumstances of their death with an angry political tirade.

 

Viewers never even got to find out the circumstances of Karen Sherlock's death, thanks to Iain Duncan Smith's interruption and David Dimbleby's cowardly decision to shut down the debate instead of chastising Iain Duncan Smith for interrupting so disrespectfully, or intervening to allow Owen to complete his point as any decent moderator would have done.

 

For those of you that are interested in the circumstances of Karen's death, here are a couple of links detailing the appalling suffering of this poor woman, much of it directly attributable to Iain Duncan Smith's Welfare regime..

 

http://benefitscroungingscum.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/karens-story-rip-karen-sherlock.html

 

http://diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/rip-karen-sherlock.html

[Anna B 1,414]

Snailyboyre: Sortition (sorry, quote button not working)

 

According to Wikipedia and other sources, Sortition has been used in Athens, Northerrn Italy, Florence, Genoa, Barcelona, Switzerland, Citizens assembly of British Columbia, and India in women only constituences 2010.

 

It's also been used in many far ranging political groups.

Edited August 4, 2015 by Anna B

[unbeliever 10]

Doctors are not a good example, because they are some of our most important people, but yet they are not at the top of the money tree.

 

How does any of what you've just said not apply to cabinet ministers?

 

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Snailyboyre: Sortition (sorry, quote button not working)

 

According to Wikipedia and other sources, Sortition has been used in Athens, Northerrn Italy, Florence, Genoa, Barcelona, Switzerland, Citizens assembly of British Columbia, and India in women only constituences 2010.

 

It's also been used in many far ranging political groups.

 

For tiny bits of local government?

[SnailyBoy 10]

Snailyboyre: Sortition (sorry, quote button not working)

 

According to Wikipedia and other sources, Sortition has been used in Athens, Northerrn Italy, Florence, Genoa, Barcelona, Switzerland, Citizens assembly of British Columbia, and India in women only constituences 2010.

 

It's also been used in many far ranging political groups.

 

Mmmmmm, how long ago?

[crookedspire 10]

Iain Duncan Smith the henchmen of the Welfare state who's job is simple dismantle the whole benefits system before your eyes. The right wing press will play the party song of make believe and demonized the benefit claimant with over top stories and sanctions. Just an other day in the fair and justice land of Tory Britain .

[Dyke 10]

''If you're not careful the newspapers will have you hating the people that are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing''

 

Malcolm X