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Are you really trying to portray the Palestinian terrorists as the innocent party here woodmally??

 

Seriously, there are tons more atrocities associated with them than there are Israel.

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Are you really trying to portray the Palestinian terrorists as the innocent party here woodmally??

 

Seriously, there are tons more atrocities associated with them than there are Israel.

 

Occupied people have a right to resist occupation under international law, the Palestinians are under occupation.....

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Are you really trying to portray the Palestinian terrorists as the innocent party here woodmally??

 

Seriously, there are tons more atrocities associated with them than there are Israel.

 

No I am not but the fact is they have been denied statehood by Israel.

 

Also I have posted on here links to when the great Isreal bombed a UN school and also a hospital. The difference is no one is defending the Palestinians yet every government in the world will refuse to condemn Israels barbarism.

 

What should happen is Palestinians should be given a state as should Isreal. If Isreal dont like it tough.

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No I am not but the fact is they have been denied statehood by Israel.

 

Also I have posted on here links to when the great Isreal bombed a UN school and also a hospital. The difference is no one is defending the Palestinians yet every government in the world will refuse to condemn Israels barbarism.

 

What should happen is Palestinians should be given a state as should Isreal. If Isreal dont like it tough.

 

No answer to post #48 i notice.

Am I to assume that you now realise that what you said was not factually or historically accurate and that you have no further examples of the Israelis hitting soft targets?

 

As to the bold part. They've been offered a state on more than one occasion.

 

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Occupied people have a right to resist occupation under international law, the Palestinians are under occupation.....

 

They have the right to routinely deliberately target civilians?

The have the right to strap bombs to children?

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Please, more examples would be great. Because as far as I can see you're referring to the odd mistake. Which is something every first world country has been guilty of in military action.

Still no response I notice to my challenge for you do defend the use of children as bombs.

 

 

 

This is wildly factually and historically inaccurate.

Where are you getting this information from?

When was this supposed invasion?

Where do you suppose that Hamas etc get their weapons and money from if "all [they] have is themselves"?

 

This link will educate you and others.

 

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/facts-us-citizens-need-know-israel-palestine.html

 

You can also find a link in there that debunks the 'human bomb' or human shield' propaganda used by Israeli government..but I will link it just in case you miss out.

 

Here's a snippet:

 

This is arguably one of Israel’s most insidious claims, because it blames Palestinians for their own death and deprives them of even their victimhood. Israel made the same argument in its war against Lebanon in 2006 and in its war against Palestinians in 2008. Notwithstanding its military cartoon sketches, Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons. The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.

 

International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true. It attributed the high death toll in Israel’s 2006 war on Lebanon to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks. Human Rights Watch notes:

 

The evidence Human Rights Watch uncovered in its on-the-ground investigations refutes [israel’s] argument…we found strong evidence that Hezbollah stored most of its rockets in bunkers and weapon storage facilities located in uninhabited fields and valleys, that in the vast majority of cases Hezbollah fighters left populated civilian areas as soon as the fighting started, and that Hezbollah fired the vast majority of its rockets from pre-prepared positions outside villages.

 

In fact, only Israeli soldiers have systematically used Palestinians as human shields. Since Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in 2002, it has used Palestinians as human shields by tying young Palestinians onto the hoods of their cars or forcing them to go into a home where a potential militant may be hiding.

 

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/falsely-associating-judaism-zionism-uses-jews-everywhere-human-shields.html

 

Oh I love facts..

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This link will educate you and others.

 

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/facts-us-citizens-need-know-israel-palestine.html

 

You can also find a link in there that debunks the 'human bomb' or human shield' propaganda used by Israeli government..but I will link it just in case you miss out.

 

Here's a snippet:

 

 

 

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/falsely-associating-judaism-zionism-uses-jews-everywhere-human-shields.html

 

Oh I love facts..

 

Any opinion about Israel and the Palestinians can be supported by any number of websites claiming to be posting facts, the vast majority of these facts should be read with a very large pinch of salt.

 

The UN statement supported assertions by the Israeli military that Hamas and its Palestinian militia allies were using schools and mosques for rocket storage and attacks. In a report in mid-July, the UN said the Israeli military has been providing warning before attacks on civilian facilities

believed to contain weapons.

 

“Hamas has dug terrorist tunnels under hospitals, mosques, schools, homes, to penetrate our territory, to kidnap and kill Israelis,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on July 22.

http://www.worldtribune.com/2014/07/23/un-acknowledges-facilities-gaza-used-store-hamas-rockets/

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The greatest threat to Israel and also the greatest threat to us all is Iran who are so loopy that they execute homosexuals.

If Iran gets nuclear weapons they'll use them and then the **** will really hit the fan when Israel retaliate.

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Any opinion about Israel and the Palestinians can be supported by any number of websites claiming to be posting facts, the vast majority of these facts should be read with a very large pinch of salt.

 

The UN statement supported assertions by the Israeli military that Hamas and its Palestinian militia allies were using schools and mosques for rocket storage and attacks. In a report in mid-July, the UN said the Israeli military has been providing warning before attacks on civilian facilities

believed to contain weapons.

 

“Hamas has dug terrorist tunnels under hospitals, mosques, schools, homes, to penetrate our territory, to kidnap and kill Israelis,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on July 22.

http://www.worldtribune.com/2014/07/23/un-acknowledges-facilities-gaza-used-store-hamas-rockets/

 

Under the rules of war, targeting places such as hospitals, schools etc etc is a war crime.

Except if the enemy is fighting from them, in which case it is the enemy who has committed a war crime. People often forget this. If Hamas have stored weapons in or under, or otherwise militarised a school or a hospital than it becomes a legal target.

 

http://www.crimesofwar.org/a-z-guide/immunity-from-attack/

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Under the rules of war, targeting places such as hospitals, schools etc etc is a war crime.

Except if the enemy is fighting from them, in which case it is the enemy who has committed a war crime. People often forget this. If Hamas have stored weapons in or under, or otherwise militarised a school or a hospital than it becomes a legal target.

 

http://www.crimesofwar.org/a-z-guide/immunity-from-attack/

Very well posted, Hamas used children as human shields, fired rockets from built up areas.

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The greatest threat to Israel and also the greatest threat to us all is Iran who are so loopy that they execute homosexuals.

If Iran gets nuclear weapons they'll use them and then the **** will really hit the fan when Israel retaliate.

 

The greatest threat to Israel is Israel. All this hype about Iran is just that, media hype.

 

If Israel have so many Nukes why are they scared? Why would Iran launch just one (or a few) that they could possibly build as their country would be obliterated very quickly before much damage is done to Israel. Tactically it just does not add up.

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The greatest threat to Israel is Israel. All this hype about Iran is just that, media hype.

 

If Israel have so many Nukes why are they scared? Why would Iran launch just one (or a few) that they could possibly build as their country would be obliterated very quickly before much damage is done to Israel. Tactically it just does not add up.

 

Iran wouldn't do that. They'd give the weapons to some terrorist organisation or other so that they'd have deniability.

Israel doesn't have a second strike capability like that of the UK. And there's only 8 million of them.

A couple of well placed nukes would pretty much wipe them out.

 

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I'm still at a complete loss as how a reasonable person could possible side with the likes of Hamas, Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia against Israel.

The odd mistake, or outspoken zealot on the part of Israel and all of a sudden all the truly outrageous, vile actions of Hamas, Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia are forgotten and everybody jumps on the bash Israel bandwagon.

 

In 1948, the land which is now Israel was inhabited by Jews, Muslims and some Christians. They weren't getting on at all.

Israel was established after orders in 1948 from the UN, which ruled that the land in question should be divided into a primarily jewish state and primarily muslim state. The surrounding Muslim countries didn't like that and attempted to "drive the Jews into the sea". They lost, but they ended up with territory they didn't have any right to. It was at this point that the original plan and associated attempts to establish a muslim state in that area collapsed.

There was no "occupied territory" until 1967, when Syria and Egypt attempted to destroy Israel and lost. At that point, some of the land which was subject to the original 1948 ruling ended up in the hands of Israel.

There have been many, many attempts since then to establish a Palestinian state and nothing seems to be good enough for the "Palestinians".

 

What is it that the Israel-bashers want Israel to do?

- Never make any mistakes? We hardly meet that standard.

- Hand over land without any promise or guarantee of safety from the "Palestinians"? Would we do that?

- Not retaliate when their civilians are murdered? Really?

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The problem with Iran, or anyone else blowing up Israel with nukes is that there are so many sacred muslim sites within Israel you would destroy those as well.

 

I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to destroy some of the most holy sites in Islam

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