EU Referendum - How will you vote?

[I1L2T3 10]

That's right and there is little point in increasing the number of people that are a net drain, decreasing the amount each one drains from the economy must be better, so we should be aiming for getting the unemployed into employment and not simply leaving them doing nothing whilst immigrant come here to do the low paid work which just increases the net drain.

 

We have record employment, falling numbers of claims for out of work benefits and over two million jobs have been created in 5 years.

 

More Brits than ever are working according to the Tories. So what exactly is the problem? Can it be quantified? Can you quantify it?

 

It's worth noting that in every capitalist economy there will always be unemployment. It's part of the model. Some unemployment is transient, people transitioning between jobs. Some if kind of baked in, representing a core (perhaps as high as 3%) of people who are unemployable because of various issues - mental illness, disability, substance issues being examples. You also have the issue of people not being located where the jobs are. This is all basic economics and you should be able to see that immigrants are usually in a better position to plug the gaps because they are often young, healthy, mobile and willing to do practically any job at wage levels that long-term residents cannot accept.

 

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Who said leaving Europe would mean sending people back ? Sounds to me like some people are making stuff up, curbing who and how many come in is not the same as sending people back, and the Brits in Spain are generally not the same type of migrant that we have accepted from Europe in the last 15 years, so they won't be sent home either !

 

Because if we were not part of the single market then those people would have no automatic right to reside anywhere in the EU. The only exception would probably be the republic of Ireland given that we have many reciprocal mechanisms (e.g. residence rights, employment rights, health care) that remain in place as a result of the republic once being part of the UK.

[chalga 10]

We have record employment, falling numbers of claims for out of work benefits and over two million jobs have been created in 5 years.

 

More Brits than ever are working according to the Tories. So what exactly is the problem? Can it be quantified? Can you quantify it?

 

It's worth noting that in every capitalist economy there will always be unemployment. It's part of the model. Some unemployment is transient, people transitioning between jobs. Some if kind of baked in, representing a core (perhaps as high as 3%) of people who are unemployable because of various issues - mental illness, disability, substance issues being examples. You also have the issue of people not being located where the jobs are. This is all basic economics and you should be able to see that immigrants are usually in a better position to plug the gaps because they are often young, healthy, mobile and willing to do practically any job at wage levels that long-term residents cannot accept.

 

Where the jobs are.........very important,when the EU exit comes and the unskilled migrants are banned,the British unemployed then have to take up the slack..........which in all probability will mean that jobs in deepest Lincolnshire will have to filled by Brits moving from the cities and staying in accommodation provided by the employer,chicken factories,working in fields picking fruit and veg,and jobs like this that mean doing what migrants have done..........leaving home and living 15 to a house,or to whatever the employer will provide,and in all probability paying for the privelage of living there.........in short,to do a Tebbit,get on their bikes and find work,or the jobs go unfilled.............say goodbye to home comforts:D

[Happ Hazzard 10]

I will vote for us to leave.

 

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Where the jobs are.........very important,when the EU exit comes and the unskilled migrants are banned,the British unemployed then have to take up the slack..........which in all probability will mean that jobs in deepest Lincolnshire will have to filled by Brits moving from the cities and staying in accommodation provided by the employer,chicken factories,working in fields picking fruit and veg,and jobs like this that mean doing what migrants have done..........leaving home and living 15 to a house,or to whatever the employer will provide,and in all probability paying for the privelage of living there.........in short,to do a Tebbit,get on their bikes and find work,or the jobs go unfilled.............say goodbye to home comforts:D

Who do you think was doing agricultural work before the immigrants got here? Do you really think British people would put up with all that you have said. In reality the farmers will just have to pay better wages and houses will have to be built for the workers to live in.

[I1L2T3 10]

Where the jobs are.........very important,when the EU exit comes and the unskilled migrants are banned,the British unemployed then have to take up the slack..........which in all probability will mean that jobs in deepest Lincolnshire will have to filled by Brits moving from the cities and staying in accommodation provided by the employer,chicken factories,working in fields picking fruit and veg,and jobs like this that mean doing what migrants have done..........leaving home and living 15 to a house,or to whatever the employer will provide,and in all probability paying for the privelage of living there.........in short,to do a Tebbit,get on their bikes and find work,or the jobs go unfilled.............say goodbye to home comforts:D

 

Well, that's assuming we will have anybody to sell our agricultural produce to. There is no automatic requirement for EU countries to buy our produce, or to sell produce to us at the current low prices if we are not part of the EU.

 

Anybody who has been in a Norwegian supermarket will have experienced the sky high prices for often poor quality 'fresh' produce. A short drive across the border into Sweden and the EU reveals a totally different and much better situation. Trust me, I've done it.

[chalga 10]

I will vote for us to leave.

 

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Who do you think was doing agricultural work before the immigrants got here? Do you really think British people would put up with all that you have said. In reality the farmers will just have to pay better wages and houses will have to be built for the workers to live in.

 

Why would it be any different for British people?........are farmers going to pay out extra after leaving the EU?

[I1L2T3 10]

Who do you think was doing agricultural work before the immigrants got here? Do you really think British people would put up with all that you have said. In reality the farmers will just have to pay better wages and houses will have to be built for the workers to live in.

 

Yeah, dead easy. Let's put the farmers out of business by making them pay high wages and making them build whole new villages for workers.

 

This kind of 'fix' would have to be played out in countless sectors of the economy to re-align us with being out of the EU.

[loraward 10]

We have record employment, falling numbers of claims for out of work benefits and over two million jobs have been created in 5 years.

 

 

We also have a record number of people living in the country so one would expect to have record employment.

 

Its good that we have created two million jobs, but think how much better it would have been if more had gone to the British unemployed and fewer immigrants had arrived in the UK. It would have meant more money for the NHS, more housing for the people here, smaller class sizes in school, better access to public services, more space for everyone, smaller UK carbon footprint, less imports, less pollution, less congested roads.

[I1L2T3 10]

Why would it be any different for British people?........are farmers going to pay out extra after leaving the EU?

 

Those in the countryside are going to be some of the most vociferous voices supporting staying in. Wait and see.

[Happ Hazzard 10]

Yeah, dead easy. Let's put the farmers out of business by making them pay high wages and making them build whole new villages for workers.

 

This kind of 'fix' would have to be played out in countless sectors of the economy to re-align us with being out of the EU.

They wouldn't have to pay "high" wages. Just not "low" wages. They'd have to pay enough to make people want to do the job instead of sitting on the dole. It isn't that much to ask.

 

As far as house go, if there's people in the area with money, let housebuilders take advantage of that by building homes for the people to buy.

[chalga 10]

They wouldn't have to pay "high" wages. Just not "low" wages. They'd have to pay enough to make people want to do the job instead of sitting on the dole. It isn't that much to ask.

 

As far as house go, if there's people in the area with money, let housebuilders take advantage of that by building homes for the people to buy.

 

No,they would have to pay enough wages to want unemployed to leave home and go to deepest Lincolnshire to work and live there.......and make it financially beneficial for them to make enough money to get off the dole and make enough to bank good savings.

[I1L2T3 10]

We also have a record number of people living in the country so one would expect to have record employment.

 

Its good that we have created two million jobs, but think how much better it would have been if more had gone to the British unemployed and fewer immigrants had arrived in the UK. It would have meant more money for the NHS, more housing for the people here, smaller class sizes in school, better access to public services, more space for everyone, smaller UK carbon footprint, less imports, less pollution, less congested roads.

 

In future, quote the rest of the post. In this case the bit that covers the unemployment issues that you've just gone on to discuss while ignoring the elements of unemployment I mentioned - transient, structural etc...

 

There are fewer British unemployed - more Brits than ever are working according to the Tories.

 

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They wouldn't have to pay "high" wages. Just not "low" wages. They'd have to pay enough to make people want to do the job instead of sitting on the dole. It isn't that much to ask.

 

As far as house go, if there's people in the area with money, let housebuilders take advantage of that by building homes for the people to buy.

 

Are you willing to pay double or triple for your spuds, apples, cheese, milk etc... because if the farmers have to pay more you will have to pay more. The costs will be passed to consumers.

 

And if we're out of the EU there will be no cheap replacement from other EU countries. We'd have to get produce from elsewhere which would be less fresh and again still not cheap having been flown or shipped in over longer distances.

 

---------- Post added 11-06-2015 at 10:05 ----------

 

No,they would have to pay enough wages to want unemployed to leave home and go to deepest Lincolnshire to work and live there.......and make it financially beneficial for them to make enough money to get off the dole and make enough to bank good savings.

 

And build new houses for them. Can you imagine the NIMBYs reaction in those rural areas when every village needs a couple of hundred extra houses adding (or maybe local towns need a few thousand extra houses added) for low waged families. The immigrants workers are tolerated in the countryside because in a lot of cases they are hardly visible to the people who live there. They eat and sleep in cheap lodgings on site or are bussed in.

Edited June 11, 2015 by I1L2T3

[chalga 10]

Prices of that type of food would go up,as the extra costs are passed on to the UK consumer,I am sure,then there is the loss of EU subsidies to farmers and whoever else is claiming them.

Not only would prices go up for UK consumers,the exports would go up the same and make UK produce less competitive price wise than other EU countries who were willing to accept migrant labour,so I would expect the export market to suffer as importers looked for cheaper alternatives.