EU Referendum - How will you vote?

[gomgeg 10]

Get over the White Man's Burden because none of it is Our Fault. It is all Their Fault for persisting with despotic mass murdering regimes. We're just picking up the pieces from their historic national societal incompetence.

You've summed it up again Eric, on the one hand we're being told the UK is responsible for every conflict in the history of the world, and then on the other we need to sort the problems in these disfunctional countries at source. In other words we can't win either way.

[srt2016 10]

Thousands of passengers are being forced to hop off buses midway through journeys to comply with barmy EU laws. A Brussels ruling has banned local services longer than 30 miles to ensure drivers don’t spend too long at the wheel. As a result, drivers have to pull in as they hit that limit and order everyone off their bus. They then change the route number on the front and invite passengers to jump back on before resuming the trip. …Western Greyhound has split its Newquay to Plymouth route in three — even though it uses a single driver throughout. Passengers must buy three tickets and break their journey twice. Managing director Mark Howarth said: “It’s a farce. We have to kick customers off as soon as the driver hits the 30-mile limit. “Often it’s in the middle of nowhere. Passengers think we’re crazy.”

[nightrider 13]

It would make a massive difference.

 

Firstly the UK could control its borders as it saw fit without the need to worry about who had the right to enter or not, as technically no one without a passport would have a right.

As you said EU citizens would no longer have automatic right of abode here, nor would the influx of non EU migrants who are granted EU citizenship by the various nation states.

 

Not sure what you mean - I travel overseas at least once a month and have never been able to enter the UK from the EU without showing a passport. So you currently do need a passport to enter the UK.

 

I see you claim Ireland is some kind of loophole - but even from there I have needed a passport to enter the UK and even if there is a loophole it is unclear to me why it would be necessary to leave the EU to close it. We could close it now if we would like to.

 

I don't think a very large fraction of immigrants from the EU are people who have gained citizenship recently (and I have seen numbers quoted within the last week in the Sunday Times backing that up). Mostly they are born eastern europeans, from EU countries, looking for work.

 

Non-EU immigrants would still come here even if we leave the EU because we are happy to let them in now, and that won't change if we leave the EU because they don't come here by getting EU citizenship - they come because we let them do so to study or work in skilled jobs.

 

So I don't think leaving the EU will have much impact on non-EU immigration, only potentially on EU immigration (but if we do that we may end up having to repatriate a lot of UK ex-pats in the EU, because the EU won't take a block from us without retaliation).

[chalga 10]

Thousands of passengers are being forced to hop off buses midway through journeys to comply with barmy EU laws. A Brussels ruling has banned local services longer than 30 miles to ensure drivers don’t spend too long at the wheel. As a result, drivers have to pull in as they hit that limit and order everyone off their bus. They then change the route number on the front and invite passengers to jump back on before resuming the trip. …Western Greyhound has split its Newquay to Plymouth route in three — even though it uses a single driver throughout. Passengers must buy three tickets and break their journey twice. Managing director Mark Howarth said: “It’s a farce. We have to kick customers off as soon as the driver hits the 30-mile limit. “Often it’s in the middle of nowhere. Passengers think we’re crazy.”

 

They are crazy,even First would would be proud of Mark Howarth,there's got to a job waiting for him with them.........how can Newquayto Plymouth be a local service........they're taking their passengers for a ride,well,except when they're kicking them off for no reason.

Edited February 26, 2016 by chalga

[Eater Sundae 12]

Thousands of passengers are being forced to hop off buses midway through journeys to comply with barmy EU laws. A Brussels ruling has banned local services longer than 30 miles to ensure drivers don’t spend too long at the wheel. As a result, drivers have to pull in as they hit that limit and order everyone off their bus. They then change the route number on the front and invite passengers to jump back on before resuming the trip. …Western Greyhound has split its Newquay to Plymouth route in three — even though it uses a single driver throughout. Passengers must buy three tickets and break their journey twice. Managing director Mark Howarth said: “It’s a farce. We have to kick customers off as soon as the driver hits the 30-mile limit. “Often it’s in the middle of nowhere. Passengers think we’re crazy.”

 

Do you know what directive that is? National Buses operate over much longer distances without that. If its over 30 miles, is it still a "local" service.

 

Edit. No need, I've found it.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Eater Sundae

[srt2016 10]

British shoppers are to be banned from buying eggs by the dozen under new regulations approved by the European Parliament.

 

For the first time, eggs and *other products such as oranges and bread rolls will be sold by weight instead of by the number contained in a packet.

[chalga 10]

Do you know what directive that is? National Buses operate over much longer distances without that. If its over 30 miles, is it still a "local" service.

 

They'll play the Benny Hill theme music on the bus outward journey and Looney tunes on the way back.

 

---------- Post added 26-02-2016 at 13:42 ----------

 

British shoppers are to be banned from buying eggs by the dozen under new regulations approved by the European Parliament.

 

For the first time, eggs and *other products such as oranges and bread rolls will be sold by weight instead of by the number contained in a packet.

 

I bought a pound of oranges an hour ago,they were quick to get that rule through.

[JFKvsNixon 11]

Thousands of passengers are being forced to hop off buses midway through journeys to comply with barmy EU laws. A Brussels ruling has banned local services longer than 30 miles to ensure drivers don’t spend too long at the wheel. As a result, drivers have to pull in as they hit that limit and order everyone off their bus. They then change the route number on the front and invite passengers to jump back on before resuming the trip. …Western Greyhound has split its Newquay to Plymouth route in three — even though it uses a single driver throughout. Passengers must buy three tickets and break their journey twice. Managing director Mark Howarth said: “It’s a farce. We have to kick customers off as soon as the driver hits the 30-mile limit. “Often it’s in the middle of nowhere. Passengers think we’re crazy.”

 

Newquay to Plymouth is a 50 mile journey, how is that a local service?

[srt2016 10]

"Various estimates have put the percentage of British laws which now originate as EU directives - and are thereby slipped on to the statute book whether our elected representatives like them or not - at up to 80 per cent. Is it any wonder we end up with so many bad laws when over half of them are allowed to bypass democratic process. This is not to say that Parliament does not itself pass silly laws from time to time. But at least we know who to blame. We can lobby our MP before they are passed, and we can campaign for their repeal if they turn out to do more harm than good. But EU directives are dreamed up behind closed doors and by the time most of us know about them it is too late to stop them."

 

"An undemocratic EU might have seemed a good idea to some in the Fifties but 60 years and several million pages of daft EU laws later it is beginning to grate. It is high time "...

[JFKvsNixon 11]

"Various estimates have put the percentage of British laws which now originate as EU directives - and are thereby slipped on to the statute book whether our elected representatives like them or not - at up to 80 per cent. Is it any wonder we end up with so many bad laws when over half of them are allowed to bypass democratic process. This is not to say that Parliament does not itself pass silly laws from time to time. But at least we know who to blame. We can lobby our MP before they are passed, and we can campaign for their repeal if they turn out to do more harm than good. But EU directives are dreamed up behind closed doors and by the time most of us know about them it is too late to stop them."

 

"An undemocratic EU might have seemed a good idea to some in the Fifties but 60 years and several million pages of daft EU laws later it is beginning to grate. It is high time "...

 

Aren't the laws voted on by the MEPs?

[srt2016 10]

Now, the think tank Open Europe has totted up the cost to the UK economy of the most burdensome EU laws. It comes to a staggering £27.4billion a year. Among the costliest are the Working Time Directive, which costs £4.1billion a year, the various measures on energy and climate change, which cost us £3.4billion, and the Temporary Agency Workers' Directive, which gives full employment rights to temporary workers and which is costing the economy £2billion a year.

 

Before anyone accuses Open Europe of making these figures up, they have been collected from the Government's own estimates. Needless to say, the Government also claims extravagant benefits from the laws. But these seem to be rather more spurious than the costs. EU-inspired energy and climate regulations, for example, are claimed to be earning us £20.4billion a year.

 

This figure was based on the presumption that the rest of the world would quickly follow with similar carbon-reduction targets, giving us a head start in selling the technology.

 

But the rest of the world has declined to pass economically damaging green regulations, with the result that many countries retain a competitive edge over Europe. If you are running an energy-intensive factory in Britain, for example, you can close it down, sell your EU carbon permits for a profit and then relocate to Asia where no permits are required. Global carbon emissions won't have reduced one jot but the cost to the UK economy is enormous.

 

For 24 out of the 100 costliest regulations the Government's impact assessments do not even pretend that they benefit the economy in any way. Among them are the Alternative Investment Fund Managers Regulations 2013, which are calculated to cost the economy £1.5billion a year without giving us a penny in return, and the Information and Consultation of Employees Regulations 2004, which costs industry £41million a year with no measurable financial benefit whatsoever.

[Eater Sundae 12]

"Various estimates have put the percentage of British laws which now originate as EU directives - and are thereby slipped on to the statute book whether our elected representatives like them or not - at up to 80 per cent. Is it any wonder we end up with so many bad laws when over half of them are allowed to bypass democratic process. This is not to say that Parliament does not itself pass silly laws from time to time. But at least we know who to blame. We can lobby our MP before they are passed, and we can campaign for their repeal if they turn out to do more harm than good. But EU directives are dreamed up behind closed doors and by the time most of us know about them it is too late to stop them."

 

"An undemocratic EU might have seemed a good idea to some in the Fifties but 60 years and several million pages of daft EU laws later it is beginning to grate. It is high time "...

 

What's the source for this quote?

 

The EU creates directives.

 

Individual governments then create legislation in their own countries to create and implement laws to be in accordance with the directives.

 

How do we create laws if not through parliament?