Alleged assault on shoplifter in Tescos

[bobcob 10]

It's Thursday.

 

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I've been beaten. My droll one line only worked if I was first.

 

:hihi:, you sprung my trap.

 

Well done.

 

It should have been Shepherds pie today.

 

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No.... and it's Thursday where I am!

 

:hihi:, Well done.

[IRONMONGER 10]

Can we please get this thread back to the original topic.

Having worked in retail for almost fifty years I have dealt with the best of society and the worst of society.

From watching the television article and reading the Mirror article I have formed the following opinions. I STRESS that these are my personal opinions.

1. "Simon" , a vulnerable adult, was dancing in the freezer aisle with a fairy wand. Some might find this funny, others might find it odd, some such as the Tesco manager might have found it socially unacceptable.

2. At this point perhaps the manager should have approached "Simon" in a friendly, jovial manner and asked him to leave.

3. It looks as though the manager's bullying and assault began at this point, in the store, which so shocked the Tesco staff that THEY called the police.

4. It makes me wonder if "Simon" actually stole anything, could the shampoo and conditioner have been planted?

5. The activities we witnessed in the back room, from Tesco's own security video,is nothing less than torture and bullying. No wonder the poor lad needed a cigarette, I think that this was probably the only law he actually broke.

6. I feel that "Simon" requires a good solicitor, and I do know of one in Sheffield who specialises in helping disabled people.

7. I sincerely hope that when this case comes to court, which it undoubtedly will,

that justice will be done. I also hope that in future Tesco will be more selective in their choice of managers.

[Timeh 10]

No it's best we didn't.. I'd end up smashing his head against the wall

 

:hihi:

[bobcob 10]

Can we please get this thread back to the original topic.

Having worked in retail for almost fifty years I have dealt with the best of society and the worst of society.

From watching the television article and reading the Mirror article I have formed the following opinions. I STRESS that these are my personal opinions.

1. "Simon" , a vulnerable adult, was dancing in the freezer aisle with a fairy wand. Some might find this funny, others might find it odd, some such as the Tesco manager might have found it socially unacceptable.

2. At this point perhaps the manager should have approached "Simon" in a friendly, jovial manner and asked him to leave.

3. It looks as though the manager's bullying and assault began at this point, in the store, which so shocked the Tesco staff that THEY called the police.

4. It makes me wonder if "Simon" actually stole anything, could the shampoo and conditioner have been planted?

5. The activities we witnessed in the back room, from Tesco's own security video,is nothing less than torture and bullying. No wonder the poor lad needed a cigarette, I think that this was probably the only law he actually broke.

6. I feel that "Simon" requires a good solicitor, and I do know of one in Sheffield who specialises in helping disabled people.

7. I sincerely hope that when this case comes to court, which it undoubtedly will,

that justice will be done. I also hope that in future Tesco will be more selective in their choice of managers.

 

Simon was given a conditional discharge.

I presume you are speaking of the other two going to court.

[I1L2T3 10]

I'm gobsmacked by what is shown at that video. It's a blummin supermarket not the gulag!! Since when are supermarket staff allowed to use that level of force?

 

When he threw the furniture they should have calmly re-entered the room and removed the furniture to prevent him causing any further damage to the property. There was no need for restraint. They had a CCTV camera running and should have just locked the door and monitored him until the police arrived.

 

They had no right to throw water on him, threaten him with a fire extinguisher, smack his head against the wall, kneel in his back or apply pressure to his neck. All of those are well beyond the definition of reasonable force in that situation as they had already detained him in accordance with the law, and presumably informed the police that a crime had been committed.

 

The staff failed in their duty of care at the very least and arguably assaulted the guy.

[Mister M 1,608]

I'm gobsmacked by what is shown at that video. It's a blummin supermarket not the gulag!! Since when are supermarket staff allowed to use that level of force?

 

When he threw the furniture they should have calmly re-entered the room and removed the furniture to prevent him causing any further damage to the property. There was no need for restraint. They had a CCTV camera running and should have just locked the door and monitored him until the police arrived.

 

They had no right to throw water on him, threaten him with a fire extinguisher, smack his head against the wall, kneel in his back or apply pressure to his neck. All of those are well beyond the definition of reasonable force in that situation as they had already detained him in accordance with the law, and presumably informed the police that a crime had been committed.

 

The staff failed in their duty of care at the very least and arguably assaulted the guy.

 

I agree - but maybe some on here think that smacking someone with mental health problems head against a wall is a good way of knocking sense into him. Maybe this is their idea of care in the community, and the security guard be appointed the Government's new mental health tsar....

[Event Horizo 10]

When he threw the furniture they should have calmly re-entered the room and removed the furniture to prevent him causing any further damage to the property. There was no need for restraint. They had a CCTV camera running and should have just locked the door and monitored him until the police arrived.

 

And i bet alot of money if they had of done what you're suggesting then the guy would have kicked off even more knowing he was being locked in a room ALONE and 'monitored'. Then it would have been all over the news 'Tescos staff lock in mentally ill man etc who headbutts wall'.

 

In this situation you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

Just my tuppence worth

[dancingnymph 10]

Anyone else seen this on Calendar? http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2015-06-10/i-feared-for-my-life-says-vulnerable-man-detained-by-supermarket-workers/

 

Really frightening, I knew they had a big problem with people shop lifting but there's no need for violence. Good on the whistleblower though.

[rollwithit 12]

If I was a store security guard, especially if its ****e minimum wage work, I don't think I'd be chasing shop lifters and possibly putting myself at risk.

 

If a shoplifter with mental health problems that involve violence, staff members could have been at serious risk. Imagine someone with issues concealing a weapon they don't mind using?

 

I expect, in this case the police will be looking at if the boundaries of reasonable force had been exceeded.

 

Do gooders may over look that if people didn't steel then incidents like this wouldn't happen.

 

If someone broke into your home at night and was robbing you blind, and the perpetrator got a serious good hiding. Would opinions about the residents actions be different?

[*_ash_* 88]

If I was a store security guard, especially if its ****e minimum wage work, I don't think I'd be chasing shop lifters and possibly putting myself at risk.

 

If a shoplifter with mental health problems that involve violence, staff members could have been at serious risk. Imagine someone with issues concealing a weapon they don't mind using?

 

I expect, in this case the police will be looking at if the boundaries of reasonable force had been exceeded.

 

Do gooders may over look that if people didn't steel then incidents like this wouldn't happen.

 

If someone broke into your home at night and was robbing you blind, and the perpetrator got a serious good hiding. Would opinions about the residents actions be different?

 

That's not a good analogy.

[haddy 10]

If the person hadn't stolen then this would not have happened. After all remember this person has committed theft and broken the law! If he had not done anything wrong then this would not have happened to him!

[AlexAtkin 10]

If the person hadn't stolen then this would not have happened. After all remember this person has committed theft and broken the law! If he had not done anything wrong then this would not have happened to him!

 

Because people with schizophrenia and mental health problems can always make those rational choices, right?

 

Its a very difficult scenario and we can't even begin to guess if they overstepped their bounds or not.