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Sir Malcolm Bruce, the former deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats, said lying in public remained widespread as he sought to defend his embattled colleague Alistair Carmichael.

 

He suggested MPs could not be excluded for telling a lie: “If you are suggesting every MP who has never quite told the truth or even told a brazen lie, including ministers cabinet ministers, including prime ministers, we would clear out the House of Commons very fast, I would suggest,” he said.

 

So there you have it, from the horses mouth. MP's, Ministers and Prime Ministers shouldn't be excluded from the House of Commons......or we'd run out of them. I'm sure there would be plenty of people willing to replace them who weren't bare faced liars.

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I've been saying for ages that all MPs are not only liars, the extent of their underhand deviousness and manipulating makes them if not full blown psychopaths, pretty squarely, sociopaths.

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The whole world is full of liars, telling lies is not just exclusive to politicians, everyone lies from business people to parents and even children. I would say more so now than ever before the need for positive spin in all walks of life is the norm, and the negativity of too much honesty is often frowned upon.

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We do undoubtedly need honest, conviction politicians with integrity.

 

But the electorate also have to be grown up enough to take the truth when it's offered.

 

Too often the politician is rewarded with loss of support when he tries to tell it how it is. So you can't blame them for obfuscation if not outright lying.

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Apparently the only verifiably true words spoken in the House of Commons were spoken by Prime Minister Spencer Percival after he was shot. As he fell to the ground he is said to have uttered 'I am murdered'.

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They do not lie,they just perpetrate terminological inexactitudes.

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Oliver Cromwell gave this speech on 20 April 1653 when he dissolved Parliament:

 

"It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place,which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone!

So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!"

 

It’s difficult to find anything in this 362 year-old speech that is not as relevant today as it was when first made.

Edited by websters gue

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Oliver Cromwell gave this speech on 20 April 1653 when he dissolved Parliament:

 

"It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place,which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone!

So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!"

 

It’s difficult to find anything in this 362 year-old speech that is not as relevant today as it was when first made.

 

Spot on..............

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I think it says a lot that it is against the rules for MP's to be called liars regardless of whether its tue.

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Oliver Cromwell gave this speech on 20 April 1653 when he dissolved Parliament:

 

"It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place,which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone!

So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!"

 

It’s difficult to find anything in this 362 year-old speech that is not as relevant today as it was when first made.

 

Oliver Cromwell is right at the top of my list of people from the past I would love to have met and talked to.

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Oliver Cromwell is right at the top of my list of people from the past I would love to have met and talked to.

 

Mmm. He also banned Christmas, closed the theatres and encouraged religious intolerance.

 

He might have got it right with regards to politics, but he was definitely a bit of a party pooper...

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Mmm. He also banned Christmas, closed the theatres and encouraged religious intolerance.

 

He might have got it right with regards to politics, but he was definitely a bit of a party pooper...

 

He wasn't perfect (although probably on the money about Christmas:D). But let's not forget the victors write history, and unfortunately we are back under a monarchy instead of the Republic. :)

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