Muslim printers, must they print Mohammed cartoons?

[flamingjimmy 10]

The judge concluded that, on balance, the defendants knew that the plaintiff was a gay man and discriminated against him on the grounds of his sexuality. For the third time, what protected characteristic would a person have which led to them wanting Mohammed pictures printing?

 

How about a philosophical belief in the cause of free speech? That fits the definition of protected characteristics under law pretty well.

[loraward 10]

How is that abusive?

 

You've failed to understand a very simple point, repeatedly, spectacularly.

 

It would be a leap of faith to assume you were being deliberately obtuse, so one must assume the most straightforward and only remaining explanation.

 

Simply stating it does not amount to "abuse".

 

Based on that idea you must be hard of thinking, since it is you that failed to understand a very simple point.

[Halibut 12]

Based on that idea you must be hard of thinking, since it is you that failed to understand a very simple point.

 

Learning impaired? Lower than average intelligence?

Deliberately obtuse?

 

Take your pick.

[loraward 10]

Learning impaired? Lower than average intelligence?

Deliberately obtuse?

 

Take your pick.

 

I think you are probably all three but don't let it get you down.

[the_bloke 17]

The law didn't make a Christian bakery bake a "gay cake" either. The civil courts found the bakery liable for discrimination. It would be a weird legal system that, after all this, made them bake a cake as well.

 

Surely it depends on the reason our fictitious Muslim bakery gives as to why they refuse the customer. As another poster mentioned, the bakery being offered the work could just say they are too busy. If they instead gave the refusal reason as something racially/sexually/etc targeted at the person wanting the cake, then it would fall under discrimination would it not?

 

Why would someone want a cake of Mohammed from a Muslim bakery anyway? Might as well walk into a Jewish bakery and ask for a Swastika cake, you'd get a similar reaction.

[flamingjimmy 10]

Surely it depends on the reason our fictitious Muslim bakery gives as to why they refuse the customer. As another poster mentioned, the bakery being offered the work could just say they are too busy. If they instead gave the refusal reason as something racially/sexually/etc targeted at the person wanting the cake, then it would fall under discrimination would it not?

 

Why would someone want a cake of Mohammed from a Muslim bakery anyway? Might as well walk into a Jewish bakery and ask for a Swastika cake, you'd get a similar reaction.

 

....or walk into a conservative christian bakery and ask for a gay marriage cake.

[Berberis 10]

Just think the whole thing is very silly. Lets get on with life and if someone says I ain't going to bake you a cake then go to the next cake shop eh!!!???

 

Some people just can`t accept others have differing opinions.

 

The problem here is we in the UK are striving to become as inclusive and non discrimination as possible with the ending of Men only clubs for example. If these people can put this into reverse it undermines the progress we have made.

 

The best way round this sort of thing is to quote a ridiculously high price.

 

We use this where I work. Not to discriminate, but to not provide services to a customer we know would be a problem in the future. Its called the Go Away Price. You put it so high that the extra inconvenience the customer may cause is mitigated by the extra income should they accept it.

[L00b 441]

We use this where I work. Not to discriminate, but to not provide services to a customer we know would be a problem in the future. Its called the Go Away Price. You put it so high that the extra inconvenience the customer may cause is mitigated by the extra income should they accept it.

We're probably being too formulaic for our own good: we call ours pro-forma invoices requiring cleared payment upfront

 

Works a treat for cashflow and credit risk mitigation

[Zamo 10]

Why would someone want a cake of Mohammed from a Muslim bakery anyway? Might as well walk into a Jewish bakery and ask for a Swastika cake, you'd get a similar reaction.

 

For the same reasons a gay activist would pursue a sex discrimination case against a baker whose view are the opposite of their own... to annoy and hurt them.

 

The cakegate ruling is wrong and needs overturning at appeal. The fact is that the cake maker had a legitimate excuse for not wanting to take the work and that doesn't change even if there are other motivations. It is a terrible decision by the judge.